Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

However, today I decided to stop by an Oreck store and was very impressed with the Oreck Edge, which is the only Oreck that would work on my deep pile carpeting.  I am not convinced that it would do as well of a job and since it's a newer "edition" it doesn't appear yet on with a Seal of Approval on the Carpet and Rug Institute webpage (although many other Orecks do).  A Seal of Approval would be very important to me because I feel like they don't have a vested interest in what I buy.  (Consumer Reports doesn't seem to rate the higher end vacuums, which is disapointing).

Has anybody had experience with a deep cut-pile carpeting and what vacuum would work best? (I also glanced at a Riccar, but didn't fall in love). Anything you can do to sway me one was or the other would be helpful.  Please don't tell me the Kirby is heavy, I doubt the current version can be any heavier than the 1970s version I grew up pushing with no self propelling feature.

Kirby's are very tough, and can handle most all household dirt.  Orecks and the Riccar Supralite have a more delicate fan you need to practice greater caution.

In nearly 50 years I have never had a problem with a Kirby fan (save the time I sucked up a rock in my Omega cleaning the car).  I use a shop vac for car duty now.

My main point on my previous post is:  Buy what you want and will be most happy with. 

ORECK has the most models with the CRI seal while some are made by others and badged with ORECK's name.  On the value of the seal, I have mixed feelings.  It proves that the brand and model passed the rigorous tests by the CRI for the seal.  A "CPA" [certified public accountanty] has a certification that he/she passed a very difficult professional industry test to attain the CPA certification.  Does that make the person an expert accountant in all facets of accounting?  Maybe, maybe not.  I've known excellent CPA's and I've known terrible CPA's.  Such are the constraints of any certification.  When you visit a doctor or lawyer and see the sheepskin on the wall it doesn't say that the person was first or last in the graduating class.  Just that he/she passed.

Carmine D.

Oh Carmine,

You are so full of old poo.  LOL

About direct air systems:

If we remember our vacuum, or more accurate the Bernoulli principal.  Direct air machines are more efficient and in moving large volumes of air, ie Kirby because the fan is so close to the work area.  In the case of the Kirby, the fan is approximately three inches to six inches from the carpet.  The air flow generated by the fan coupled with the Bernoulli effect in the bell shaped nozzle moves large volumes of  air through a narrowing nozzle  and thus generates the vacuum to pull the deeply embeded dirt from the carpet and allowing the tremendous air flow to wisk it away.    The dirt laden air is then pulled through the fan into and exhausted through the air horn into the bag system.  Here the dirt is deposited into the bag and the air pressure drops back to atmospheric pressure and the cycle continues.   All in all it is a short air path and an efficient system .  The effect of pushing the dirt into the bag, instead of having to pull the air through tiny pores reduces the effect of the clogging bag that Mr. Dyson likes to reference.

Now a clean air machine creates the vacuum within the fan case often some distance from the cleaning surface.  The air is pulled, not pushed through the filter material through a hose and finally the rug nozzle.  Basically a cannister standing upright. Though this system may be able to create vacuum, they suffer generating the air flow that direct air machines can generate. 

Riccar/Simplicity has a Tandium air two motor system that is supposed to give the best of both worlds.  My issues is a $,1600 plastic machine is a hard sell to me, especially when there is little weight savings over the Kirby that has been tried an proven for almost 100 years. 

Just, Shame on you...........

Simplicity/RICCAR would be my choice over the ORECK Edge and KIRBY Sentria too.  But sadly the poster ruled the brands out and posed only the two options for posters to sway. 

Nice to have you here again. 

Carmine D.

Vacmanuk:

Both KIRBY and ORECK use the old fashion vacuum principle of fan first dirt path to the bag.  With no tools on board.  Old fashioned by the years' old advances in vacuum features and technology.  To ORECK's credit, the Edge has a hose wand with tool on board for quick cleaning while still in the upright mode.  KIRBY after all these years does not.  ORECK to its credit has a dirt by pass vacuum system that does not degrade the motor with the Halo.  KIRBY does not, strictly old old method.  ORECK prices have come down and products have been added to the big box retail store venues to stay competitive in the industry.  KIRBY has not.  If you see a trend and/or moral here, it is this: Change and flourish.  Stay the same and risk vanishing.  

Carmine D.

Yes, most definitely.  But the maker offers clean air dirt by-pass systems with tools on board too.  Changed with the times and advances in the vacuum industry technology.  KIRBY has not.  You can only stay tried and true to the past for so long.  At some point, if you offer the one and only option at the expense of no others, your time runs out.

Carmine D.

ORECK offers a convincing explanation of this in comparing its upright to a by-pass dirt path design.  If you have access to it [generally in its advertising], it's worth reading.  In short, the convoluted air/dirt path of vacuums with clean air systems diminishes the air flow and force [suction] over its long path from nozzle head to dirt containment.  Hence, vacuums with clean air systems have motors with much larger amps and watts [more energy consumptionmotors] than vacuums with fan first designs [like the old fashioned vacuums].

Carmine D.