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procare
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Walmart is supposedly getting out of belt ,filterand bag business in stores.
Original Message Aug 7, 2010 10:01 pm |
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Customers are coming in asking about bags, belts and filters for cleaners that Wal Mart sells. They were told they were discontinuing these products and want the customers to go online when they need these items. When you need a belt or anything else ,it is," I need it now", not days from now. These customers didn't like being told they had to go to another store if they had what they needed. In our area it is 20 miles in three directions for a store. Many small businesses have been driven out of business by this company as well as other big box stores.I feel there will be a ressurection of the Independent Vac Shops because people will find getting parts and service there is better than going online and waiting. Looking at a cleaner and seeing what it will do is better than buying online and hope it does what it is supposed to. Online sales will still be made but having the service after the sale is still important. You can say what you will about your favorite brand but when it gets down to buying a cleaner going to a Vac Shop is the best way. At Wal Mart and the other big box stores they sell you what they want to sell you. At least with Vac shops you can find a wider variety of Vacuums.The Door to Door sales peolpe also have a variety. It is if the cleaner meets the needs of the consumer that they buy. Procare
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CarmineD
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Re: Walmart is supposedly getting out of belt ,filterand bag business in stores.
Reply #17 Aug 16, 2010 3:18 pm |
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Wal-mart is not getting rid of their vacuum cleaner supplies. They have plenty of supplies displayed in one section of the aisle, plus display the supplies beside the matching vacuum cleaner. I have plenty of Wal-marts in my area which are set up the same way. One store just remodeled and just moved the departments around. If they stop selling vacuum cleaner supplies, that means they will end up going to Target or Kmart for supplies. Does Wal-mart really want that?
They are not going to sell all supplies for all machines. This has always been true of ALL STORES. You see the same thing at Lowe's HD, Kmart and even stores that are no longer around. Space cost money. When something does not sell, stores will get rid of it. When the packaging changes, they get rid of the old. I have found some excellent deals, because of this. Wal-mart, and other stores, are only going to sell what sells. That is why you see the products that are in Wal-mart. People are buying it. People who go into this store want to buy a cheap $50 vacuum cleaner and not a $400+ dyson or a $250+ HOOVER WT Anniv. bagged upright. The Wal-marts in my area took these HOOVERs off the self and now only sell them online. Granted, the price for it is excellent now. Cannot blame Wal-mart, because the shoppers want it.
Wal-mart looks for the best deals from their suppliers. Wouldn't you do the same? Why do you think many stores are selling one brand of bags for different makes of vacuum cleaners. Electrolux Homecare goes to Wal-mart and says "We can give you a lower price for these bags, which would give you a larger profit, compared to the price you would pay for supplies from HOOVER, DD, Eureka, Bissell. Wal-mart says, "let's do it"! P & G partners w/Wal-mart to supply the WM stores. This is true of other suppliers also. Some have good results, while others have bad. You see, you cannot blame WM. If WM is so bad, suppliers should not sell to them. If they are so bad, people should not shop w/WM. But they still do. Suppliers still contact them everyday to put merchandise in their store. People still crowd the stores. Look at Carmine who promoted WM for a long time, then put down WM for their practices. Now he tells you that he shopped there this last week. You see, people are still coming.
If WM, or any other store, were cutting down on their vacuum inventory, I would consider it a plus for me. Even if they were not, it still is a plus for me. Stores have to think how they can compete and how to be better. Not say "poor me". You the store owner cannot be stagnant and say "I am going to keep my store the way it was in the 60's". You have to constantly be on the ready to change. Do all that you can to sell, as long as it is legal and ethical. I can recall a regional variety store from old who fell on hard times, because they did not change when WM came in. They ended up going into bankruptsy, then making changes. They are still around, but it would have been better/easier to change w/the times. I know of other stores who have gone out of business and WM was not even around. I promoted the Wal*Mart's ability to withstand an economic downtown over other competitors. Predicted its stock would outperform Best Buy and others in recent years. It did both just as I said it would. I shop at W*M several times a year usually for one or two items like bulbs and weatherstripping. These were my most recent yearly purchases. Occasionally I'll buy some cans of spray paint from W*M too. As I mentioned, I know several long time W*M and Sam's employees who rose through ranks of W*M/Sam's store and respect Sam Walton's business philosophy. They are friends of mine. Have beem for years. One can object, as I did, to management's treatment of employees. Wrong is wrong. Withholding wages is a sin that cries out to God regardless of who does it. Still, one can respect the business/sales of the store over the competition and condemn it for its wrongdoing of employees. At least, I can and did.
Again, Mike I thank you for your attention and notice of me. Carmine D.
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Trebor
Joined: Jan 16, 2009
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Re: Walmart is supposedly getting out of belt ,filterand bag business in stores.
Reply #18 Aug 16, 2010 5:34 pm |
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Mike W,
Not to be disagreeable, but I must disagree. It is not every week I am in Wal-mart, but i average probably one visit a month, not always the same one (there are FIVE Walmarts withing a 12 mile radius) In the two newest and largest Super Walmarts the vacuum selection is meager, six or seven uprights, a few stick vacs, a few carpet cleaners, and very few filters and belts, only for the models currently sold. I looked over the aisles in front and back of the display and to the sides thinking it was being moved or revamped. Nope. In at least some of the Walmarts there is significant reduction of the skus of vacuums and related supplies.
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Re: Walmart is supposedly getting out of belt ,filterand bag business in stores.
Reply #19 Aug 16, 2010 11:38 pm |
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Mike W,
Not to be disagreeable, but I must disagree. It is not every week I am in Wal-mart, but i average probably one visit a month, not always the same one (there are FIVE Walmarts withing a 12 mile radius) In the two newest and largest Super Walmarts the vacuum selection is meager, six or seven uprights, a few stick vacs, a few carpet cleaners, and very few filters and belts, only for the models currently sold. I looked over the aisles in front and back of the display and to the sides thinking it was being moved or revamped. Nope. In at least some of the Walmarts there is significant reduction of the skus of vacuums and related supplies. Robert; I said, "Wal-mart is not getting rid of their vacuum cleaner supplies". So how many vacuum cleaners should a store have? How many does Target and Kmart have? What you said is not "getting rid of vacuum cleaners and supplies". I think the WMs in my surrounding area have 12 uprights avg. 3 canisters, plus some sticks and handvacs and bags, belts, filters for all of them. Granted, I have not gone down and counted each one. If they get rid of all of them, which they will not, they will be shooting themselves in the foot and bestowing blessings on Target, Kmart, HD,Lowe's and vac shops.
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Trebor
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Re: Walmart is supposedly getting out of belt ,filterand bag business in stores.
Reply #20 Aug 18, 2010 12:15 am |
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Over the last couple of years, I have almost always taken a walk through the vacuum aisle of any BBR I happen to visit, of whatever stripe, home improvement, electronics, or department/discount. The average number of full size vacuums has consistently been 15, what will fit on the shelf of an aisle. The carpet cleaners and stick/hand vacs typically are facing the vacuums, and frequently one or more end caps are devoted to vacuum display. Wal-Mart is the one store that has recently and radically cut that selection so that all of it fits on one side of one aisle. Probably the largest part of the reason behind that is the reduction of the highest price point in the offerings to be no higher than 159.99
Lowe's and Best Buy have much larger selections, with prices approaching 300.00 for non-Dyson models. Dyson is still present at both those retailers, and they both offer canisters as well.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Walmart is supposedly getting out of belt ,filterand bag business in stores.
Reply #21 Aug 18, 2010 7:20 am |
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Over the last couple of years, I have almost always taken a walk through the vacuum aisle of any BBR I happen to visit, of whatever stripe, home improvement, electronics, or department/discount. The average number of full size vacuums has consistently been 15, what will fit on the shelf of an aisle. The carpet cleaners and stick/hand vacs typically are facing the vacuums, and frequently one or more end caps are devoted to vacuum display. Wal-Mart is the one store that has recently and radically cut that selection so that all of it fits on one side of one aisle. Probably the largest part of the reason behind that is the reduction of the highest price point in the offerings to be no higher than 159.99
Lowe's and Best Buy have much larger selections, with prices approaching 300.00 for non-Dyson models. Dyson is still present at both those retailers, and they both offer canisters as well.
Hello Trebor,
I suspect you're correct as is Procare and the information he's receiving from W*M customers who couldn't find their usual vacuum parts on the shelves. W*M has always maintained that its typical customers shop at least once a week every week, have 5-10 items to buy, and want to spend no more than 20-30 minutes finding/buying these items and be out of the store. W*M made a huge investment in time and money several years ago trying to ensure that customers could get the last one or two items they need in 20 minutes including the time needed to check out and pay. It's no wonder that since January 31 2010, after the annual W*M stockholders meeting, there have been major shakeups in W*M management for merchandizing, store operations, and inventory management. WIth thhe reasons kept very close to the vest. The more vacuum products you carry, the more replacement parts too you have to stock and display. The more vacuum parts, the more shelf space. The more shelf space, the more difficult and time consuming to arrange, sort and keep organized. Most especially in recent years with the onslaught of pre-post bagless filters. It's a nightmare for stores and their customers. If the parts are out of place, require time for look ups/staff assistance, W*M customers/shoppers won't bother. They'll leave frustrated without the needed vacuum parts. In good times, just buying another inexpensive make/model. Not now in bad IMHO. Whether you cull, which W*M does regularly as all BBR stores do, or scrub completely, the result is a loss of sales [not customers in W*M cases]. W*M will still get shoppers who will most probably end up buying other products and merchandise rather than vacuums/their replacement parts. Sure, other retailers will profit from the W*M changes. I'm sure W*M has factored this into their decision making process already. But, W*M has other products to make up the losses: Food, gas, clothes, furniture, appliances, electronic equipment, cards, magazines, drugs, toiletries, and the list goes on. Time will tell if the decision is right or not. Carmine D. PS: If the decision and changes work for W*M's bottom line, and obviously it will take time to know, watch for other BBR store chains to do the same. All bodes better for vacuum store independents who will be the winners in the end. They will get more customers and sales, even if just vacuum parts and repairs. Finally one more reason for dropping all if not most vacuums: The cost and expense for the loss on returns in recent years have become astronomical for BBR stores.
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CarmineD
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Re: Walmart is supposedly getting out of belt ,filterand bag business in stores.
Reply #24 Aug 21, 2010 8:37 am |
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Complaints by retailers are already coming in about the lackluster "back to school" sales usually the busiest time of the year for retail sales not counting Christmas.
Having worked many years in retail, the big predictor of how lush or sparse a Christmas season would be was back to school sales. If the kids got all their fall clothes in one swoop, Christmas presents were luxury clothing and toys. If they got just what they needed to start the semester because it's all Mom and Dad could afford, then Christmas gifts were mainly the balance of the clothes usually purchased at the beginning of the term in better times.
Trebor
Hello Trebor:
Some financial analysts are blaming the doom and gloom Wall Street Journal article on retail sales and the economic outlook for the sell off in the markets on Thursday and the Dow's 145 point decline. SEARS reported financial results too the following day. Didn't even meet the street's predictions and forecasts but came in worse. Carmine D.
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Trebor
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Re: Walmart is supposedly getting out of belt ,filterand bag business in stores.
Reply #25 Aug 22, 2010 2:53 pm |
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Carmine,
I view the current economic situation as the result of a very skewed set of values. The consumer culture as we know it is less than 100yrs old. The whole concept of creating needs that can never be fulfilled was deliberately crafted and foisted on the American public, We work to earn to spend, rather than work to live, with spending as a necessity that is sometimes enjoyable. A healthy economy was a by-product rather that the raison d'etre.
We have reached a dead end. We already have too much stuff and can no longer afford to buy more, not even at reduced prices thanks to lower wages overseas and increasing trade deficits. We in the US live in what is essential a gated community untouched by the troubles our consumptive lifestyle wreaks upon the rest of the world. Lives used up too soon to bring us the mall, where indulgence awaits the bearers of cash, check and above all else credit cards.
Natural capitalism views natural resources, including human capital as valuable, too valuable to be squandered or misappropriated or abused, but still recognizes the value of free markets and competition. It is a way out of the mess we find ourselves in without becoming a socialist country and ever increasing government intervention.
Trebor
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vacmanuk
Location: Scotland UK
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Re: Walmart is supposedly getting out of belt ,filterand bag business in stores.
Reply #26 Aug 22, 2010 5:15 pm |
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Carmine,
I view the current economic situation as the result of a very skewed set of values. The consumer culture as we know it is less than 100yrs old. The whole concept of creating needs that can never be fulfilled was deliberately crafted and foisted on the American public, We work to earn to spend, rather than work to live, with spending as a necessity that is sometimes enjoyable. A healthy economy was a by-product rather that the raison d'etre.
We have reached a dead end. We already have too much stuff and can no longer afford to buy more, not even at reduced prices thanks to lower wages overseas and increasing trade deficits. We in the US live in what is essential a gated community untouched by the troubles our consumptive lifestyle wreaks upon the rest of the world. Lives used up too soon to bring us the mall, where indulgence awaits the bearers of cash, check and above all else credit cards.
Natural capitalism views natural resources, including human capital as valuable, too valuable to be squandered or misappropriated or abused, but still recognizes the value of free markets and competition. It is a way out of the mess we find ourselves in without becoming a socialist country and ever increasing government intervention.
Trebor
The UK isn't that far off. Thanks to the internet the consumer gets a better bargain than trade who mark up prices in a fight to survive. It works in some areas and in other areas, not.
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