Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hi everyone, The other day I had a conversation with an indie central vacuum shop owner that recently became a Dyson dealer/service center, and from that little chit chat I learned of a few things. First off, the DC14 upright is being discontinued in the coming months. He isn't sure if it will have a new model take its place, but I think it's safe to assume that the same DC33 that is replacing the DC14 in the UK will replace it on this side of the pond as well. Secondly, he revealed that the DC31 handheld is being discontinued as well. I wasn't sure I believed him on that count, but surely enough, a quick google search reveal that DC31's are on clearance, and even being labeled as "discontinued" by walmart.com (google "dyson DC31 discontinued", and read the second link). There is nothing to indicate that the handheld will see another successor at this time. Also, though he didn't mention anything about the DC22, I strongly believe it is on the way out as well, with many retailers slashing prices and clearing them out (again, google "dyson DC22 discontinued", and read the sixth link down).

M00seUK wrote:

The DC16 is scrubbed.  Now DC30 and DC31 [both DDM users] are discontinued too and being sold on clearance.  Pretty good evidence that the DC22 the baby dyson which uses the DDM is over too.  No superceding handheld/cann models with DDM announced to date.  Your belief about dyson not exiting the handheld market is on pretty shakey ground.  Your belief that a DDM will be used soon in a slim upright is on shakey ground too based on the demise of the baby dyson cann.  I'm not interested in hand dryers, fans, and yet to be launched kitchen ware using DDM.  I am interested in a DDM slim upright but that is still pie in the sky based on a patent for a number of potential uses none of which are launched or scheduled to be launched.  The rumor that a DC33 was a likely candidate for a DDM slim upright proved incorrect.  Like relocating DDM production in several weeks: Alot of optimism, not much reality.

I have no evidence that dyson has any facility anywhere right now or in the future for making DDM vacuum motors.  All indications suggest otherwise: Dyson closed the chapter on DDM vacuum applications and is going back to the drawing board.  I know the plant where the DDM vacuum motors were made is shuttered and/or the vacuum motor production is abandoned.  Why?  All the vacuums using DDM are discontinued and none have been announced that will use DDM except in a patent.  That's pretty good evidence for me and probably others that it's over for DDM and vacuums.  Maybe a DDM stick vacuum that uses a power cord.  That's a possibility for dyson but depends on the price.

Carmine D. 

Went into Costco for broccoli but peeked the vacuum aisle on my way to teh produce section.  The DC14 is still there but for $299.00 today.

Venson

Dyson needs to get this motor ready for prime time, and put it in use within a product that people actually want/need (i.e. - A full size upright priced between $400-$550). I strongly think that their flagship motor technology should have been featured in an upright all along rather in niche products such as an $800 mini-canister or an extravagantly priced hand held. I think with the right marketing and the restrained pricing (A strong focus on zero carbon emissions and heightened efficiency, as well as a price tag THAT ISN'T $800, lol), this upright could succeed. I think a DC18 successor with a digital motor, reduced weight, and other features like variable suction control and LED lighting would make a far superior design compared to the DC25; the company's flagship(s) and current best seller--the department store of which I'm currently employed sells more DC25's than any other vacuum we sell, and surprisingly enough, a good number of DC28's along with them. I'm pretty certain that this Digital Slim is coming (what other Dyson product in patent purgatory has a trademarked logo?), but I hope for their sake that they hold back the overzealous pricing on this one, and price it as a volume seller and not a novelty niche item. It kinda scares me to speculate how high this model can be priced, seeing that they attempted selling the DC22 at over $800; I hope DC22's failure will convince them to lower the prices on future DDM products.

On a side note, I don't think the Air Multiplier has the V.2 DDM. I've only seen the motor referred to as "Brushless AC motor", which leads me to believe that it isn't a DDM (something which Dyson has marketed the hell out of for their Airblade and DC31 handheld). In addition, we have two Air Multipliers at work, and the motor(s) sound nothing like the DDM (as used featured in the DC22 and DC31).

iMacDaddy wrote:

iMacDaddy:

IMHO the recent DDM slim patent on a wide range of vacuums/floorcare products [does and will dyson have ANY of the latter?] including some already in production suggests one of two things/both.  First, dyson is concerned another maker may trump his DDM in vacuum applications [always a concern of his] and he wants to be ready to pounce with a lawsuit to collect proceeds for the infringement [typical dyson operating procedure].  Two, dyson plans to sell the patent rights to the DDM for vacuum applications to recover some of the expensed R&D lost on it and go in another direction with DDM for other household applications. 

Apparently, despite vehement opinion to the contrary it appears dyson has in fact scrubbed its MAP awhile back [latest evidence is Venson's post above regarding discontinued DC14] and current dyson models typically advertised and sold for less than MAP.  Usually 20 percent discounts [MAP is 10] not counting other buyer incentives.  More unlike the traditional dyson we know, is the latest DC33 line [in the UK] which  IMHO is a budget minded consumer line.  It took dyson/Sir James awhile but maybe it finally clicked. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

"there may be many" reasons why you have no idea what your talking about, but you don't for "whatever reasons".

Hertz wrote:

You should know what you're talking about.  You're the junk expert here.  12 for less than the price of a latte.

Carmine D. 

Good one! Thing is, most lattes leave a good taste in the mouth though!

Well the DC33 has arrived in the UK under three different models: the DC33 Multi Floor, DC33 Stubborn and DC33 Animal. One interesting note is that Dyson have apparently made this a better upright than the DC14 it replaces, yet the DC14 was about 8.2kg in weight and this new one is 8kg. Hardly making much of a saving grace there although it does have 1300watts motor.

Just thought I'd share with you that many retailers are receiving info on the next Dyson, one which I have personally seen labeled as "DC33MF" in a signing database. Not sure what the "MF" stands for, but regardless, it should be out in the next month or two in the US.