Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Today I fortuitously stopped at the local Oreck dealer. 

Mike, the owner of several Oreck franchises and a few multi-brand stores had brought his new Edge upright from home, as stock had not arrived yet.

It has a more powerful motor, with a true  floating head. LED lights, infinite speed control AND and on-board stretch hose with a permanently attached telescopic crevice tool that is automatically active when the handle is in the upright position.  It lacks the Pilot's pivot head and the Halo's germ killing light. A model incorporating all three features is under development.  It is still easy to push, although it weighs 10 lb and requires a bit more effort than previous models.

There is a commercial OBT upright made by Stein (Sebo) that is very nice at only 450.00.  Oreck WILL be offering a bagless upright, but dealer participation is optional.  The new canister is color matched to the Edge and designed to be leaned on as the user vacuums stairs. Odd looking bare floor/crevice tool, no swivel neck. The bristles fold in to form the crevice tool, and the wand is inserted into a neck that curves more than 60 and less than 90 degrees, much like the OLD bare floor tools made of wood with the metal neck screwed on. A turbo tool is included and a dusting brush.

A cute little bagless canister is available for 49.99  Oreck has increased market share and has 89% brand recognition as a vacuum cleaner. They have become #1in  air purifier sales. (Mike did not say if that was dollar volume, or units or both.

The price of the Edge and matching canister will be about 750.00

Oreck is still marketing, still developing product, and still building a loyal customer base.

Severus wrote:

Hello SEVERUS:

Good point.  I'd like to make another distinction WRT marketing and product sales.  There is a line drawn by the courts and legal authorities between "sales puffing" and "dishonesty" when marketing and selling products.  "Never clogs, never loses suction" is a claim that an abitration authority [the ASA], vested with the purpose, ruled was not to be used in writing in product sales literature.  Is it dishonest?  I have to presume so and say yes it is.  If it were "sales puffing," it would be allowable.  While legal and quasi legal entities can regulate what is written by product makers, it can't dictate and police what is said for sales pitches.  As evidenced by the oldest dishonest sales pitch for vacuums in the industry.  Venson's point that an informed consumer is the best remedy for myths [and dishonesty] is right on the money. 

PS: I hope I'm not being "too honest" and offending some person's feelings and beliefs..

Carmine D.  

CarmineD wrote:
Is the Navigator puffing or dishonest?

HARDSELL wrote:

It is one of several vacuums I'm currently considering for purchase and use.  If and when I do [purchase], and have personal and professional experience with it, I will be in a better position to provide an honest and expert broker's answer to the the question you pose.  In the mean time vacuum buyers should follow Venson's advice.  Be an informed consumer, do your homework and research all products before buying.  Probably want to do more of the latter before spending $599 on a product [DC28] plus tax than $150 [Shark Navigator Pet].

Back to ORECK.  For all the reasons discussed above, I like the Dave Oreck money back guarantee with no questions asked after 30 days of free in home use.  Plus, buyers keep the giveaways for their time and trouble.  Can't beat that for being "too honest" in a sales puffing pitch with ORECK's honest claim: If not completely satisfied, return it before 30 days and get your money back.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

How does one research if no data is available?  $150 would be money wasted it the vac doesn't perform or fails in a short time.

BB allows 30 days on vacuums. Sears, WM, Lowes and HD allow 90 days.  Costco 1 year.  No questions asked. Even Ol Dave can't beat that when you consider that you overpaid for an electric broom if you keep the Oreck.  BTW, the freebies (worth more than the vac) are not included in the lesser priced Oreck deals.  Neither is the hand held.  By your own admittance (professional view) the Oreck is not a deep cleaning machine. 

HARDSELL wrote:

ORECK and Dave's product claim of complete satisfaction and free in home trial use for 30 days is the only such and best sales endorsement in the vacuum industry.  It is a staple of ORECK sales for over 45 years.  Obvious to me, since no other vacuum company makes the product promise, almost 'too honest' for vacuum sales.

ORECK doesn't clean and groom as well as any of my HOOVER WT uprights: The Gold standard of rug cleaning and grooming.  But it is a decent rug cleaning and grooming contender as well as an excellent barefloor cleaner.  Probably better on floors than any of my HOOVER uprights.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hi Carmine

Orecks guarentee is rock solid....excellent customer service....on trade ins-returns -repairs and sales.

A w\t deep cleaer it isnt,,, but a commercial to low pile heavy duty cleaner it is....commercial tough...just wish it wasnt so loud. cant really use during work hours.

How do you rate the old xl pro clean air upright.....never had a chance to try one out.....so whats your take on it.

turtle

In any event, whether I love the product or not, there appears to be a lot of happy Oreck campers.  If not I doubt that he'd still be in business.

Venson

Id consider Oreck if they just put a long hose at the back with tools AND had a clean air system. I just dont like the idea of paying out a lot of money for an "upright only," design and then later replacing the plastic fans because of general day to day hard dust like stones.

Trebor wrote:

Hello Trebor,

I enjoy your comments.   I look forward to seeing this new Oreck that can clean like a Kirby - presumably at less than half the weight. 

Severus wrote:

Will be interesting...no doubt....look forward to also seeing the specs on this one and on the  new motors out for oreck.....changes/opt  on brushrolls/replmnt strips  poss? is something i always felt should have been availiable on the orecks....

turtle