Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Today I fortuitously stopped at the local Oreck dealer. 

Mike, the owner of several Oreck franchises and a few multi-brand stores had brought his new Edge upright from home, as stock had not arrived yet.

It has a more powerful motor, with a true  floating head. LED lights, infinite speed control AND and on-board stretch hose with a permanently attached telescopic crevice tool that is automatically active when the handle is in the upright position.  It lacks the Pilot's pivot head and the Halo's germ killing light. A model incorporating all three features is under development.  It is still easy to push, although it weighs 10 lb and requires a bit more effort than previous models.

There is a commercial OBT upright made by Stein (Sebo) that is very nice at only 450.00.  Oreck WILL be offering a bagless upright, but dealer participation is optional.  The new canister is color matched to the Edge and designed to be leaned on as the user vacuums stairs. Odd looking bare floor/crevice tool, no swivel neck. The bristles fold in to form the crevice tool, and the wand is inserted into a neck that curves more than 60 and less than 90 degrees, much like the OLD bare floor tools made of wood with the metal neck screwed on. A turbo tool is included and a dusting brush.

A cute little bagless canister is available for 49.99  Oreck has increased market share and has 89% brand recognition as a vacuum cleaner. They have become #1in  air purifier sales. (Mike did not say if that was dollar volume, or units or both.

The price of the Edge and matching canister will be about 750.00

Oreck is still marketing, still developing product, and still building a loyal customer base.

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson:

Fine for me.  But, I can see the point made by some reviewers and Consumer Reports that some users would find the DC28 difficult to push and pull if you are doing alot of rug vacuuming.  Hence, the reason IMHO that dyson DC28 defaults when powered up to the medium setting.  In the medium setting, the DC28 did not get up all the dirt on the carpet but is easier to push and pull.  Only the low setting worked for the removal of dirt on the low carpeting.  A reason I dumped the dirt bin on the store carpeting and apologized rather than allowing the sales person to use a specially made throw rug in the store for comparative vacuum tests.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hardsell, you make some good points.  "Best" for you, isn't necessarily "best" for me.   What vacuums would you sell if you were in the business?

HARDSELL wrote:

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Hardsell

   I gotta say i agree with you.... consumer should research/do homework before they buy...knowingly deceptive dealers/posters hurt those that really care and try.

But at the same time the indie/employee poster can give an exp first hand point of view on the models/types that have stood the test of time and what is overpriced hype.

turtle 

Severus.

You did not ask me what brand I would sell, but I will respond anyway because my friend who manages a vac shop does quite well with the following, from lowest to highest.
D/D featherweight bagged, Hoover Tempo bagged. From there to the Sanitaire upright/Mighty Mite line which just overlaps the Miele uprights in price, and of course he has the Miele canisters.
THAT'S IT, yet he manages to close 75% or better of the people who stop to look. Not always on the first visit, mind you, but they come back to look again with remarkable consistency.and go home with a vacuum.
The store is about 600 square feet and has used vacss, a few carpet cleaners, and a few electric brooms and floor steamers.

I asked him once why he did not carry more of a selection. He said," People shop price or quality. They may say they shop both, but one inevitably wins out. The 40.00 and 90.00 price points I sell  are decent quality, I don't get many of them back, and I almost never get a Sanitaire or a Miele back.  More choices means more confusion for the customer, and a lower overall closing percentage. This is what works for me. I get a lot of those folks who left here, and looked elsewhere. They come back here because I make it simple.  Do you have 1) Carpets? 2)Pets?3) Allergies? If they are set on a bagless, I offer them a used one. Sanitaire is a good basic durable upright that cleans carpet well.  The lightest Sanitaire competes with Oreck and Miele crushes everyone in performance and filtration.  If they want a clean air upright with OBT, Miele starts at 549.00, I get them with a trade. I don't see any need to carry more skus and confuse my customers. "

Hard to argue with success.

Trebor

Severus wrote:

I was just making a point which BTW are not unique to just vacuums.  I do not have enough interest in vacuums to be in the business. 

I have sold some properties and a few other goods.  My son always says I am too honest to be in sales.  If there is a flaw in what I sell I always point it out regardless if it is not noticable. 

Trebor wrote:

Thanks Trebor for the insight.  How long has your friend been in the vacuum business and how would you characterize his personal and professional honesty?

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Why do you need to be dishonest in sales?

Lucky1 wrote:

There is a subtle but important difference between saying (1) you're "too honest" to be in sales, and (2) you have to be DISHONEST to be in sales. 

Severus wrote:

Sometimes it is not what you say but what you do not say to make a sale that to me is dishonest.

I am not saying that all sales persons are dishonest but so many are.  Speaking out of ignorance to make a sale is borderline dishonest.  Simply keep quiet or say I do not know.

Carmine and all,

My friend has managed this store for 10 years. It is the middle one of the three in terms of size, and is the best located.  It consistently outperforms the other two in terms of sales.  He is very honest. He wears his 'repairman' shirt with his name embroidered on it. People perceive him as the repairman and let their guard down and trust him.  He does not run sales, unless Miele or Sanitaire is sponsoring them, so there is no' take it now or no deal' sort of pressure. He listens a lot. and says often that if you listen the customer will tell you how to sell them and have them think it is their idea to buy.  The shop looks full, but not overcrowded. The fact that he carries two major lines reassures the customer that he has already done a lot of the work for them.  He never worries about who will come back, but a huge percentage do, and they hear him say the same things to customers. He is consistent.  "If you want deep cleaning AND extreme filtration that does not come cheap"  When someone says "I want deep cleaning, light weight, and on-board tools" he says 'pick two'   Some of his customers sheepishly walk in with a BAGLESS less than 6 mo old to trade in on a Miele or Sanitaire. It is amusing to watch.