Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Today I fortuitously stopped at the local Oreck dealer. 

Mike, the owner of several Oreck franchises and a few multi-brand stores had brought his new Edge upright from home, as stock had not arrived yet.

It has a more powerful motor, with a true  floating head. LED lights, infinite speed control AND and on-board stretch hose with a permanently attached telescopic crevice tool that is automatically active when the handle is in the upright position.  It lacks the Pilot's pivot head and the Halo's germ killing light. A model incorporating all three features is under development.  It is still easy to push, although it weighs 10 lb and requires a bit more effort than previous models.

There is a commercial OBT upright made by Stein (Sebo) that is very nice at only 450.00.  Oreck WILL be offering a bagless upright, but dealer participation is optional.  The new canister is color matched to the Edge and designed to be leaned on as the user vacuums stairs. Odd looking bare floor/crevice tool, no swivel neck. The bristles fold in to form the crevice tool, and the wand is inserted into a neck that curves more than 60 and less than 90 degrees, much like the OLD bare floor tools made of wood with the metal neck screwed on. A turbo tool is included and a dusting brush.

A cute little bagless canister is available for 49.99  Oreck has increased market share and has 89% brand recognition as a vacuum cleaner. They have become #1in  air purifier sales. (Mike did not say if that was dollar volume, or units or both.

The price of the Edge and matching canister will be about 750.00

Oreck is still marketing, still developing product, and still building a loyal customer base.

CarmineD wrote:

Do you happen to know the median or even average time to failure for Oreck's versus Sebo's in the casino environment?  How many years before they rebuild or replace their vacuums?

I'm assuming that one reason Dysons don't make the cut is that they don't make a commercial unit with heavy duty motor and safety features.  Presumably a commercial unit wouldn't need such a long hose, and possibly no need for a brush roll shutoff and clutch.  Carl the former poster, seemed pleased with Dysons used in his dry cleaning business.  If I had a choice between emptying a huge cloth bag or dumping a Dyson dirt container, I think I'd take the Dyson even if it was more frequent. 

Severus wrote:

Nothing worse than a shakeout bag...i totally agree. at one time carried them...now its bag only or we can order....they dont sell very well at all so we did the change over.

most that bought them...got rid of the shake out ...real soon.

all the various commercial bagless versions ive seen/used/serviced  have yet to last...all dead within a year of hard use. xcept the santr dirt cup....eventually changed over to paper.

turtle

Severus wrote:

Hello SEVERUS:

You're right.  Dyson doesn't provide a warranty on any of its vacuum products for commercial usage.  A product warranty was another technical requirement of the casino/hotel vacuum purchase.  Dyson didn't make the cut for that reason too.  

I was engaged professionally to assist with the initial casino/hotel vacuum purchase. I have not been involved on a personal or professional level since the buy.  I won't unless I'm officially engaged to do so, which may happen in the future.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Camine

Didnt ddvl have one kinda like that?.....i guess i kinda expected more.  any motor /perf specs on those small cans...that bagless seems like a bad idea....

turtle

retardturtle1 wrote:

Yes the Dirt Devil Vision bagless for $110.  Not a very good picture but best I found to show the little likeness to the Little Hero. 

retardturtle1 wrote:

Here's the EUREKA Sanitaire with F&G paper bags in an outer cloth:

This does not have the CRI seal but similar EUREKA commercial models did.  $140 MSRP  Meets OSHA requirements for commercial use and warranty.  Didn't make the weight cut off but close and may still be considered for future bulk buys. 

Carmine D.

Severus wrote:

Also, SEVERUS....churches.  I know of several cleaning and maintenance companies that specialize in cleaning churches.  The staff use Windsor upright vacuums exclusively for their church cleaning and vacuuming.  The clean up staff can perform their normal duties while church members conduct non-worship activities in the church without worrying about vacuum noise interference/distractions.

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:

Hi Carmine

In the cri im surprised that the commercial sanitaires/eureka either didnt show up or werent chosen gold standard....did any dyson or  8925/55 /20 ect riccar ever top the charts....anyway to all cri approved vacs of the past?

turtle

retardturtle1 wrote:

Few vacuum makers take the CRI seal of approval as serious as Dave Oreck.  ORECK has always been top rated by CRI since the entity started its program some 30 plus years ago.  ORECK had to take it serious because it was fighting with the big dogs for market share.  Dave knew this was a way to make his mark in the USA vacuum industry and he has every year.  When CRI tightened up its requirements a few years back after revamping and updating its testing, ORECK was the first to get all its upright vacuums, home and commercial, queued up for CRI approvals.  Not just a few but ALL.  Costs the vacuum makers to submit their products to CRI for testing and approval.

Many EUREKA Sanitaires are approved by CRI.  But EUREKA IMHO does not choose to submit all its upright vacuums for CRI testing and approval.  No dysons are CRI approved.  Never have been.  The closest dyson ever got to any CRI association was a picture of a DC14 on the CRI Web site years ago.  This lead some to opine and believe that dyson would be approved by CRI.    Didn't materialize. 

RICCAR and SIMPLICITY have their products, both ups and canns, approved by CRI.  Not sure what levels of approvals and seals.  I'm sure they do well.  Each higher level granted I believe calls for passing more CRI testing requirements.  GOLD is the highest.  All ORECK's upright vacuums except the bronze rated halo, rate GOLD which means the full blown set of tests.  Ironically, the halo is not ORECK grown but an acquisition from Ken Garcia for the UV-C technology. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Few vacuum makers take the CRI seal of approval as serious as Dave Oreck.  ORECK has always been top rated by CRI since the entity started its program some 30 plus years ago.  ORECK had to take it serious because it was fighting with the big dogs for market share.  Dave knew this was a way to make his mark in the USA vacuum industry and he has every year.  When CRI tightened up its requirements a few years back after revamping and updating its testing, ORECK was the first to get all its upright vacuums, home and commercial, queued up for CRI approvals.  Not just a few but ALL.  Costs the vacuum makers to submit their products to CRI for testing and approval.

Many EUREKA Sanitaires are approved by CRI.  But EUREKA IMHO does not choose to submit all its upright vacuums for CRI testing and approval.  No dysons are CRI approved.  Never have been.  The closest dyson ever got to any CRI association was a picture of a DC14 on the CRI Web site years ago.  This lead some to opine and believe that dyson would be approved by CRI.    Didn't materialize. 

RICCAR and SIMPLICITY have their products, both ups and canns, approved by CRI.  Not sure what levels of approvals and seals.  I'm sure they do well.  Each higher level granted I believe calls for passing more CRI testing requirements.  GOLD is the highest.  All ORECK's upright vacuums except the bronze rated halo, rate GOLD which means the full blown set of tests.  Ironically, the halo is not ORECK grown but an acquisition from Ken Garcia for the UV-C technology. 

Carmine D.

Dyson has no CRI approval.  Yet it out sells most if not  all that have it.  Why bother with the expanse.  Reminds me of THX approval.  Most non THX products perform as good or better.