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Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Original Message Dec 12, 2009 4:23 pm

Shark is going after the Dyson Ball pretty hard with the Navigator product. It claims no loss of suction and claims its just as easy to maneuver as the Dyson Ball. After acknowledging Dyson as the first to offer no loss of suction, they go for the throat. They do a direct comparison to a Dyson Ball and state that they are equal in all ways (easy to maneuver, no loss of suction, 5 year warranty) but price. For less than $200 you can get a Shark Navigator with a free steam cleaner thrown in to boot.

The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable. The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking.

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CarmineD

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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #71 Mar 20, 2010 6:25 pm

vacmanuk wrote:

http://www.getprice.com.au/images/uploadimg/250_BimgVax%20V045.jpg

Here is the Vax V-045 Widetrack sold in the UK from 2003. I had one and it was lousy. Horrible noise and hose that you had to attach permanently to the back of the handle and a mesh covered over a paper pleated cone filter. Years later I was shocked when I discovered a tarted up model that Euro Shark sell called the Infinity NV. Now of course several years after that the next one up in the line up uses a slightly different body and guess what, the TTi inspired "no loss of suction filters." Ive a feeling that Euro-Shark are using TTi but don't quote me, for their ranges.

Add another like-a-like in the $120 price range from EUREKA-lux. One in purple. One is yellow. Hope the new Chief Designer doesn't get wind of this and decide to sue for color copying.

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vacmanuk

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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #72 Mar 21, 2010 9:32 am

At least the Eureka one is different with a proper hose. The one on the Vax (and currently Vax have them again on their POWER uprights) has to be attached at the back of the handle which forms part of the suction tube when the handle is taken out. Its when hair and stuff gets clogged at the handle that the hose on the Vax takes a fair bit to take off.

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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #73 Mar 21, 2010 2:06 pm

vacmanuk wrote:

Eureka 4700D Maxima Lightweight Upright Vacuum Cleaner The $70 Eureka-lux Maxima more resembles the VAX with the much longer hose which is a nuisance for some users.

Carmine D.

vacmanuk

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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #74 Mar 21, 2010 6:19 pm

Nope I have to disagree Carmine, that Eureka model is different. Here's the bagged version of the Vax Widetrack / Dirt Devil had it out in the UK last year.

CarmineD

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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #75 Mar 21, 2010 7:02 pm

vacmanuk wrote:

Nope I have to disagree Carmine, that Eureka model is different. Here's the bagged version of the Vax Widetrack / Dirt Devil had it out in the UK last year.

The UK VAX bagged model you posted bears a striking resemblance to the USA EUREKA-lux Comfort Clean above IMHO that I posted with the commentary that they are same same.

Carmine D.

PS a question: Does the UK VAX bagged Widetrack have a cord rewind?

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vacmanuk

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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #76 Mar 21, 2010 7:20 pm

Nope. None of the Vax models have any cord rewind apart from top spec Mach 7 uprights. Electrolux UK are about to release their EASE uprights based on the First Eureka you posted here. That model range has auto cord rewinds.

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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #77 Mar 22, 2010 6:44 am

vacmanuk wrote:

In the USA, VAX upright bagless models X3 and X5 were among the first in 2005/6 to offer cord rewinds. HOOVER [before TTI ownership] offered cord rewind in the HOOVER Elite Rewind [and still] in 2005/6 and still. EUREKA-lux with the Intensity in 2005/6 and now finally with models like the Comfort Clean bagless upright. Also offered now on the latest HOOVER T-Series bagless uprights. BTW, both the HOOVER T-series and EUREKA -lux Comfort Clean uprights receive Consumer Reports ratings of Recommended/BEST BUY. With no mention of the cord rewinds at all by CR. One of my pet peeves with CR. Should be a feature listed.

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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #78 Mar 22, 2010 1:41 pm

Ah, sorry Carmine, I was referring to the Chinese built models spurned on by Dirt Devil - the Vax VX series always had auto cord rewinds - and the U.S know these as the X3 / X5 but they're based on Bosch uprights and it was a collaborative effort from Bosch and Vax when they appeared in the late 1990s. Bosch only had them on the market for a limited period. Vax kept them on for longer.

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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #79 Mar 23, 2010 7:28 am

vacmanuk wrote:

Yes, Bosch Siemens ran a promo in the US, buy one of their appliances and get the vacuum free. So we have it at least for VAX, TTI, and Eureka-lux: Cord rewinds on uprights are becoming standard issue even on the bottom of the line models.

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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #80 Mar 23, 2010 4:25 pm

The UK had auto cord rewinds in the 1980's on many hard box uprights from Electrolux and Hoover including the Turbopower models we had "going under the name of "Autoflex." I believe the U.S had the British models under the name of Hoover "Sovereign."

Hoover however stopped production of auto cord rewind motors in the end of the 1980s and Electrolux also followed suit. The problem seemed to be that the motors inside were forever breaking. Panasonic UK were one of very few brands in the 1990s who kept making uprights with auto cord rewinds but these are now obsolete.

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