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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
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Re: VDTA 2010
Reply #9 Mar 15, 2010 11:52 am |
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Dustmite, There's no need for anyone to elaborate. Your statements were dishonest and misleading. Given that you only recognize "innovation" if it's associated with Dyson, you fail to recognize improvements and innovation in other brands. Many of Dyson's "innovative features" are features that consumers do NOT want. I think it was Mole who said something like: the Dyson Ball was Dyson's answer to a question that no one asked. While you might consider the long hose built into the handle an innovative feature, I consider it to be a nuisance. I like the Shark Navigator's tool set up a lot better. And most Dyson vacuums, with the exception of the DC28, are mediocre at the vacuum's most important function - cleaning carpeting. They Dyson Zorb was the highest priced and lowest scoring product for cleaning carpeting - is that innovation to you? Innovative would be a fundamental change in how consumers vacuum. One could argue that irobot is much more innovative than Dyson because they have fundamentally changed how some people operate a vacuum. Dyson's major claim to fame is the dirt collection system. While constant suction is notable, you pay a price in that Dyson requires you to get up and personal with the filth collected by the vacuum. Using Consumer Reports tests for comparative purposes, even with Dyson's supposed "innovations", they function no better than many vacuums costing less than 1/2 their price. If and when Dyson creates a vacuum that scores "excellent" in the CR ratings (i.e. 81 to 100 - preferably 90/100 if I'm to be impressed), then I'll consider Dyson to be innovative. Innovation only matters if it improves the quality of life of the end consumers. While Dyson owners might save money on bags, they pay for it by having to empty a small dirt canister more frequently. Oh Venson, I never tire of your long winded personal views and many unsubstantiated claims. Since the economy is on the minds of many posters here, I thought I’d toss out to the dealers... Save money, stay home cause the tired non-Dyson vacuum cleaner will remain the same. Year over year, it’s more of the same... Chokers and Dyosn’s - will be at the wildly-exciting VDTA. Dyson Invents Big
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Venson
Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900
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Re: VDTA 2010
Reply #10 Mar 15, 2010 12:13 pm |
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Oh Venson,
I never tire of your long winded personal views and many unsubstantiated claims. Since the economy is on the minds of many posters here, I thought I’d toss out to the dealers... Save money, stay home cause the tired non-Dyson vacuum cleaner will remain the same. Year over year, it’s more of the same... Chokers and Dyosn’s - will be at the wildly-exciting VDTA.
Dyson Invents Big
Hiya DIB. You're calling my name again. Guess you must miss me, huh?
Love and kisses, Venson
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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
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Re: VDTA 2010
Reply #11 Mar 15, 2010 12:18 pm |
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Oh Venson,
I never tire of your long winded personal views and many unsubstantiated claims. Since the economy is on the minds of many posters here, I thought I’d toss out to the dealers... Save money, stay home cause the tired non-Dyson vacuum cleaner will remain the same. Year over year, it’s more of the same... Chokers and Dyosn’s - will be at the wildly-exciting VDTA.
Dyson Invents Big
Dustmite,
Don't get me wrong. I do think Dyson tries to be innovative. I think they have been a positive influence on the vacuum industry. However, other companies have as well. I think it would do both you and James Dyson good if you would remove your head from his posterior.
The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable. The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking.
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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 397
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Re: VDTA 2010
Reply #14 Mar 15, 2010 6:48 pm |
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Severus, I'm surprised by your judgement using CR scores as the "almighty." Surely if you judge for yourself you'll know what you prefer when it comes to vacuums. CR scores and anything else shouldn't really come into it. After all CR for many years rated Kenmore models as being allergen free when it came to their HEPA systems. Yet, you can see Gerry "bloody" Rubin on you tube whip out his particle counter to show that the HEPA emissions aren't exactly true. Furthermore, of the reports I've read by them concerning the new Miele S7 upright, where models are only differentiated by the suction buttons/dials and a headlight, I'm highly sceptical that the two "different" models by Miele (which are effectively the same aside from suction buttons/headlight) seem to be better than the other.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUpQ1LbAzQA
Curiously, no vacuum has broken the 81 point ceiling to gain the "Excellent" designation in CR. As for the Miele uprights, the difference in scores was very small - Twist (72), Bolero (71), and Jazz (70). For whatever reason, the Jazz had a slightly lower air flow score. It may mean that the higher scoring machines are barely in the higher category. There is unit to unit variation with vacuum cleaners. CR purchases multiple copies of each vacuum and averages the results. They also replicate tests. The highest scoring Miele vacuum does not have the automatic suction control - so it's at its highest for cleaning. It also doesn't have a HEPA filter, so the air flow may be slightly better. The overall assessment of each of these vacuums is that they clean very well with great filtration, they're quiet, but the handling is the downfall. The difference in scores is negligable. The challenge to Dyson and others is to create a vacuum that cleans as well as a Miele upright, is quiet, with great filtration, but as easy to push around as an Oreck - or even better a roomba.
Because CR publishes categorized scores, you could have 2 different vacuums with "excellent" emissions in which one scores an 81 and the other scores 99. both would appear to be the same, but the numeric scores that go into the overall score would be much different. So can any vacuum manufacturer score more than 80 points?
The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable. The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking.
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mole
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Location: earth
Joined: Sep 30, 2007
Points: 783
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Re: VDTA 2010
Reply #15 Mar 15, 2010 9:10 pm |
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Dustmite, There's no need for anyone to elaborate. Your statements were dishonest and misleading. Given that you only recognize "innovation" if it's associated with Dyson, you fail to recognize improvements and innovation in other brands. Many of Dyson's "innovative features" are features that consumers do NOT want. I think it was Mole who said something like: the Dyson Ball was Dyson's answer to a question that no one asked. While you might consider the long hose built into the handle an innovative feature, I consider it to be a nuisance. I like the Shark Navigator's tool set up a lot better. And most Dyson vacuums, with the exception of the DC28, are mediocre at the vacuum's most important function - cleaning carpeting. They Dyson Zorb was the highest priced and lowest scoring product for cleaning carpeting - is that innovation to you? Innovative would be a fundamental change in how consumers vacuum. One could argue that irobot is much more innovative than Dyson because they have fundamentally changed how some people operate a vacuum. Dyson's major claim to fame is the dirt collection system. While constant suction is notable, you pay a price in that Dyson requires you to get up and personal with the filth collected by the vacuum. Using Consumer Reports tests for comparative purposes, even with Dyson's supposed "innovations", they function no better than many vacuums costing less than 1/2 their price. If and when Dyson creates a vacuum that scores "excellent" in the CR ratings (i.e. 81 to 100 - preferably 90/100 if I'm to be impressed), then I'll consider Dyson to be innovative. Innovation only matters if it improves the quality of life of the end consumers. While Dyson owners might save money on bags, they pay for it by having to empty a small dirt canister more frequently. Dyson has run its course in the USA , becoming just another bagless vacuum, It was a good run piloted by the biggest and most expensive propaganda machine ever to hit the floor care industry. Dont even hear about them much anymore. I can hear Sir Jimmy snickering in the background boy americans are STUPID ........... regards mole
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