Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Tho a couple of months away, the VDTA is slotted for Vegas this year AND central vacuum systems, tho relatively new venue to the vacuum trade organization, are getting increased emphasis.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Severus wrote:

I have to agree with Severus on this for a few reasons.  First, Consumer Reports for vacuums going back several years before dyson even hit the USA shores list 5 major vacuum brands with assorted models in uprights and canisters that are and were bagless at the time.  Bagless is dyson's only claim to fame that has beared fruit in the US in the big box store sales venues.  Second, dyson is not a big seller [repairs and parts business only] in USA independent vacuum cleaner stores whose owners/workers will be represented at the VDTA/SDTA: i.e. the backbone of the USA vacuum cleaner industry.  Third, dyson's vacuum market share [whether dollar/unit] in the USA is and has been decreasing year over year to sales of less expensive bagless brand competitors.  All these vacuum brands which are taking away bagless sales from dyson were here in the USA before dyson. 

The latter is a serious short, mid and longterm problem for dyson especially with its main USA sales venues: big box stores.  Dyson vacuum products are rapidly becoming a niche seller in the USA.  Niche is not the best product for big box store venues in the USA, especially in the current economy.  But, on a good note, this fall off in US dyson vacuum sales gives James Dyson and his staff more time to explore other personal and professional interests:  The state of affairs of education in the UK, fans with hidden blades, and posting on the internet.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dustmite,

There's no need for anyone to elaborate.   Your statements were dishonest and misleading.    Given that you only recognize "innovation" if it's associated with Dyson, you fail to recognize improvements and innovation in other brands.    Many of Dyson's "innovative features" are features that consumers do NOT want.  I think it was Mole who said something like: the Dyson Ball was Dyson's answer to a question that no one asked.    While you might consider the long hose built into the handle an innovative feature, I consider it to be a nuisance.  I like the Shark Navigator's tool set up a lot better.  And most Dyson vacuums, with the exception of the DC28, are mediocre at the vacuum's most important function - cleaning carpeting.  They Dyson Zorb was the highest priced and lowest scoring product for cleaning carpeting - is that innovation to you?

Innovative would be a fundamental change in how consumers vacuum.  One could argue that irobot is much more innovative than Dyson because they have fundamentally changed how some people operate a vacuum.   Dyson's major claim to fame is the dirt collection system.  While constant suction is notable, you pay a price in that Dyson requires you to get up and personal with the filth collected by the vacuum. 

Using Consumer Reports tests for comparative purposes, even with Dyson's supposed "innovations", they function no better than many vacuums costing less than 1/2 their price.   If and when Dyson creates a vacuum that scores "excellent" in the CR ratings (i.e. 81 to 100 - preferably 90/100 if I'm to be impressed), then I'll consider Dyson to be innovative.   Innovation only matters if it improves the quality of life of the end consumers.  While Dyson owners might save money on bags, they pay for it by having to empty a small dirt canister more frequently. 

Severus wrote:
Oh Venson,

I never tire of your long winded personal views and many unsubstantiated claims.  Since the economy is on the minds of many posters here, I thought I’d toss out to the dealers...  Save money, stay home cause the tired non-Dyson vacuum cleaner will remain the same. Year over year, it’s more of the same...  Chokers and Dyosn’s - will be at the wildly-exciting VDTA.


Dyson Invents Big

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hiya DIB.  You're calling my name again.  Guess you must miss me, huh?

Love and kisses,

Venson

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dustmite,

Don't get me wrong.  I do think Dyson tries to be innovative.   I think they have been a positive influence on the vacuum industry.  However, other companies have as well.   I think it would do both you and James Dyson good if you would remove your head from his posterior. 

On a vote for most innovative product in the vacuum industry, iRobot's Rhomba robotic vacuums launched in October 2002 in the USA get my vote, hands down.  It wins Consumer Reports' best rating and grade for robotic vacuums, crushes all the competition in the field and sells at budget prices by all big box store venues in the USA.  I can't even think of a single brand/model that is even a distant second.

Carmine D.

Severus, I'm surprised by your judgement using CR scores as the "almighty." Surely if you judge for yourself you'll know what you prefer when it comes to vacuums. CR scores and anything else shouldn't really come into it. After all CR for many years rated Kenmore models as being allergen free when it came to their HEPA systems. Yet, you can see Gerry "bloody" Rubin on you tube whip out his particle counter to show that the HEPA emissions aren't exactly true. Furthermore, of the reports I've read by them concerning the new Miele S7 upright, where models are only differentiated by the suction buttons/dials and a headlight, I'm highly sceptical that the two "different" models by Miele (which are effectively the same aside from suction buttons/headlight) seem to be better than the other. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUpQ1LbAzQA
 

vacmanuk wrote:

Curiously, no vacuum has broken the 81 point ceiling to gain the "Excellent" designation in CR.  As for the Miele uprights, the difference in scores was very small - Twist (72), Bolero (71), and Jazz (70).   For whatever reason, the Jazz had a slightly lower air flow score.  It may mean that the higher scoring machines are barely in the higher category.   There is unit to unit variation with vacuum cleaners.  CR purchases multiple copies of each vacuum and averages the results.   They also replicate tests. The highest scoring Miele vacuum does not have the automatic suction control - so it's at its highest for cleaning.  It also doesn't have a HEPA filter, so the air flow may be slightly better.  The overall assessment of each of these vacuums is that they clean very well with great filtration, they're quiet, but the handling is the downfall.   The difference in scores is negligable.   The challenge to Dyson and others is to create a vacuum that cleans as well as a Miele upright, is quiet, with great filtration, but as easy to push around as an Oreck - or even better a roomba. 

Because CR publishes categorized scores, you could have 2 different vacuums with "excellent" emissions in which  one scores an 81 and the other scores 99.  both would appear to be the same, but the numeric scores that go into the overall score would be much different.   So can any vacuum manufacturer score more than 80 points?   

Severus wrote:
Dyson has run its course in the USA , becoming just  another bagless vacuum, It was a good run piloted by the biggest and most expensive propaganda machine ever to hit the floor care industry.

Dont even hear about them much anymore.

I can hear Sir Jimmy snickering in the background boy americans are STUPID ...........

regards

mole

mole wrote:

ALL retailers even James/dyson are lowering dyson prices.  It is quite common now to get discounts of at least 20 percent from advertised prices.  What was the dyson MAP?  10 percent?  Must be the new UK math.  20 percent has become less than 10 percent.  You know how that works.  In 1999 dyson bonuses were never paid because they are insulting and demeaning.  Then in 2009 they are paid for the same reasons.  

Carmine D.