Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Tho a couple of months away, the VDTA is slotted for Vegas this year AND central vacuum systems, tho relatively new venue to the vacuum trade organization, are getting increased emphasis.

Carmine D.

News and print reports show 3500 attendees are planned for the VDTA Convention in Las Vegas this week.

Carmine D.

Wouldn’t it be a fair assessment to assume most vacuum manufacturers showing at VDTA will be selling two types of vacuum cleaners... 1) Those made with tired off the shelf parts and designs, and 2) those made to look like they were made with Dyson parts and designs?


Dyson Invents Big

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Dustmite,

The answer to your question is NO. 

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Severus wrote:
Venson,

Please, elaborate.  Here is the link to U.S. Patent Applications, would you care to show us?...

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-adv.html

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Severus wrote:

I have to agree with Severus on this for a few reasons.  First, Consumer Reports for vacuums going back several years before dyson even hit the USA shores list 5 major vacuum brands with assorted models in uprights and canisters that are and were bagless at the time.  Bagless is dyson's only claim to fame that has beared fruit in the US in the big box store sales venues.  Second, dyson is not a big seller [repairs and parts business only] in USA independent vacuum cleaner stores whose owners/workers will be represented at the VDTA/SDTA: i.e. the backbone of the USA vacuum cleaner industry.  Third, dyson's vacuum market share [whether dollar/unit] in the USA is and has been decreasing year over year to sales of less expensive bagless brand competitors.  All these vacuum brands which are taking away bagless sales from dyson were here in the USA before dyson. 

The latter is a serious short, mid and longterm problem for dyson especially with its main USA sales venues: big box stores.  Dyson vacuum products are rapidly becoming a niche seller in the USA.  Niche is not the best product for big box store venues in the USA, especially in the current economy.  But, on a good note, this fall off in US dyson vacuum sales gives James Dyson and his staff more time to explore other personal and professional interests:  The state of affairs of education in the UK, fans with hidden blades, and posting on the internet.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dustmite,

There's no need for anyone to elaborate.   Your statements were dishonest and misleading.    Given that you only recognize "innovation" if it's associated with Dyson, you fail to recognize improvements and innovation in other brands.    Many of Dyson's "innovative features" are features that consumers do NOT want.  I think it was Mole who said something like: the Dyson Ball was Dyson's answer to a question that no one asked.    While you might consider the long hose built into the handle an innovative feature, I consider it to be a nuisance.  I like the Shark Navigator's tool set up a lot better.  And most Dyson vacuums, with the exception of the DC28, are mediocre at the vacuum's most important function - cleaning carpeting.  They Dyson Zorb was the highest priced and lowest scoring product for cleaning carpeting - is that innovation to you?

Innovative would be a fundamental change in how consumers vacuum.  One could argue that irobot is much more innovative than Dyson because they have fundamentally changed how some people operate a vacuum.   Dyson's major claim to fame is the dirt collection system.  While constant suction is notable, you pay a price in that Dyson requires you to get up and personal with the filth collected by the vacuum. 

Using Consumer Reports tests for comparative purposes, even with Dyson's supposed "innovations", they function no better than many vacuums costing less than 1/2 their price.   If and when Dyson creates a vacuum that scores "excellent" in the CR ratings (i.e. 81 to 100 - preferably 90/100 if I'm to be impressed), then I'll consider Dyson to be innovative.   Innovation only matters if it improves the quality of life of the end consumers.  While Dyson owners might save money on bags, they pay for it by having to empty a small dirt canister more frequently. 

Severus wrote:
Oh Venson,

I never tire of your long winded personal views and many unsubstantiated claims.  Since the economy is on the minds of many posters here, I thought I’d toss out to the dealers...  Save money, stay home cause the tired non-Dyson vacuum cleaner will remain the same. Year over year, it’s more of the same...  Chokers and Dyosn’s - will be at the wildly-exciting VDTA.


Dyson Invents Big

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hiya DIB.  You're calling my name again.  Guess you must miss me, huh?

Love and kisses,

Venson

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dustmite,

Don't get me wrong.  I do think Dyson tries to be innovative.   I think they have been a positive influence on the vacuum industry.  However, other companies have as well.   I think it would do both you and James Dyson good if you would remove your head from his posterior. 

On a vote for most innovative product in the vacuum industry, iRobot's Rhomba robotic vacuums launched in October 2002 in the USA get my vote, hands down.  It wins Consumer Reports' best rating and grade for robotic vacuums, crushes all the competition in the field and sells at budget prices by all big box store venues in the USA.  I can't even think of a single brand/model that is even a distant second.

Carmine D.