Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hi,

As I was looking for other information, I discovered that TTI, the present maker of Hoover, has come up with a "new" Royal canister vacuum.

Someone please check me out on this but it appears that the Hoover S3670 has been given a new paint job, refitted with the power nozzle from the Platinum Bagless canister and re-branded as the Royal Model SR30020 - Lexon S20.

Thar she is (notice the two generic throw aways aso in this new Lexon series at the top of the page) -- http://www.royalvacuums.com/Household/Canisters/lexon.aspx

I can only imagine the sweat they broke into to come up with this.  For reasons beyond economic, I think I've bought all the vacuums I'm going to for a while.

Oh yeah, I forgot to ask if any of the dealers here has knowledge as to whether the little Royal tank-type with PN has been discontinued.

Venson

To Quote what Mike says, if it was not for imports or imported parts the dealers and box stores would not  have any products to sell. This has been going on for decades,

So how is trickle down economics working out for you.

Cant find work.hungry, standard of living going away,-Eat your HONDUH............


MOLE

CarmineD wrote:
Wow, Carmine, you quoted  one of my thorough reviews of the Halo.  Thanks.  I am not sure what is wrong w/that  quote, because I meant it and it is true.   I wished that you would have shown some of the newcomers the whole review I wrote way back in Nov. '07 here-
http://www.abbysguide.com/vacuum/reviews/350-0-1.html

Now, let's take a look at a thread from Feb. 2009 here-
http://www.abbysguide.com/vacuum/discussions/35367-A-1.html

In reply #4, you write, ".....the worse possible economic timing for a $500, China made, one year warrantied upright sold primarily if not exclusively thru big box retailers."

Now what was it that you did not like about my review?  Was it because I beat you to it?  Remember, my review was written around the time the machine was introduced.  How accurate was I Carmine?



 



 

Mike_W wrote:

Let's see Mike W. ....how can I diplomatically put this:  Uhh?  Let me just tell the truth.  The company went out of business within a year of operations due in large part to Garcia's false claim that the UV-C light was the only way to kill germs in a rug.  Not true.  As Venson pointed out here any vacuum with a brush roll kills germs.  BISSELL and others sued Halo/Garcia over the false claim.  Caused the company to go belly up.  ORECK bought the rights to the halo UV-C after other companies turned Garcia down.  ORECK made the purchase to ensure it had a lock on its lightweight upright competition with tools on board. 

PS:  You failed, neglected, to tell halo buyers that halo/retailers were paying salespeople to "push" and sell the halos over others.  Not to worry.  I provided the information to them.  How accurate am I?  It's a rhetorical question.  No need to answer.

Carmine D.

Carmine;

I am not going to play your games.  I have seen how you can go on and on w/DIB and Hardsell.  You actually helped me by quoting me and not the other way around.

You will have the last word, because I am not going to continue w/this.  I know how you work.


CarmineD wrote:
Venson is very wrong, because BRUSHROLLS DO NOT KILL GERMS.  If that were true, there would be no need for a UV-C light on a vacuum cleaner and sell it for killing germs and viruses.

Mike_W wrote:

Exactomundo!  See, you aren't as obtuse as some claim .  Tho, Mike W.  I'm sorry to break the newsflash to you [obviously several years later than you got it] that Venson and the vacuum industry have a volume of scientific studies on their side.  That's the reason for the lawsuit against halo, which halo lost, and in large part is the reason halo went belly up.

Halo had a hoax claim and you an erroneous opinion BASED ON IT. 

Sorry, no recall on this one.  Can't weasel out of this one.  You're stuck with it!

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

CarmineD wrote:

Hi guys,

Just to set the record straight since DIB has already racked me up as a charlatan with dual personalities -- I believe the comment was not made in reference to bacteria but the dust mites Halo claim it killed.  Remember them -- the household terror used to get folks to teh stores again? 

A standard vacuum will do in x-amount of dust mites in the process of its use but Halo never showed any real data other than that "one might reasonably expect" as to what manner of application of its UV light was required to prove it worthwile per its claims.

Thank you,

Norman Bates

As for "multi-branding", specifically what is being said?  If we're talking about the re-badging of domestic vacuums that indeed was going on for years and still is.  Hoover and Eureka product turned up badged as Ward, Penney and who knows how many other names.  So did General Electric, Royal, Regina and Landers, Frary, Clarke vacuums.  Whirlpool (on and off) and Kenmore did the same.  There are also many I have forgotten I'm sure

That I make no issue of as the machines mentioned were, to the best of my knowledge, manufactured on American soil in the first place.  Correct?

I also remember when Panasonic (Matsu$#%*a), an import, was a stand alone brand.  In time that all changed.  I think that it's a shame that all this outsourcing has led to a sameness in product.    I greatly miss individual manufacturer's efforts to build the better mouse trap as it were.  The larger part of PNs, upholstery, bare floor and combi tools are all the same stuff.  I can look at stuff from 40 or more years ago and tell you who made it.  Regarding the hodge podge of generics chucked in the box today, I wouldn't have a clue.  It's all starting to look alike to me.

That said, I would highly prefer to buy American product that I liked.  However, besides not having seen much of anything I like in a good while I've come to believe few American vacuum makers are either prepared to or interested in offering what each of us would consider a decent living wage to their employees.  The better profit is having appliances "made-up" on foreign soil and shipping it in.  Its the same deal with electronics.

As I've stated prior, it's really late in the game for a debate over domestic vs. import appiance buying as we basically have lost the choice.  Nonetheless, I have every right to resent how much has been done by way of business acumen and consumer ignorance to turn the market into a place where you may buy anything you can pay for but lends little return to the native economy.

Venson

Venson wrote:

Hey Norman,

How much longer do we have before were invaded and taken over by the little creatures

Should i start carrying my can of raid with me......

regards

MOLE

mole wrote:

Hey MOLE,

Heck no!  A baseball bat will serve just as well.

Seriously, the dust mite has been with us since forever and will be.  For all the commotion about them and bacteria, mankind somehow still exists.

What's funny to the point of tragic, is the way we jump on every supposed bright idea seemingly meant to offer our salvation from the unseen microbes and bugs that, eons later, have yet to kill us.  Hysteria is a luxury and boy what a mark-up it gets when you bring it to market.

The best solutions are sometimes quite simple.  Serious problems like childbed fever were reduced when person like Louis Pasteur, Alexander Watson and Thomas Gordon helped bring to light that simple hygiene could bring about a dramatic change.

For all the interest in hyper-clean, my biggest curiosity is why people don't wonder more, despite all the sanitizing chemicals and UV light applications, etc., available, why it may be easier to pick up a super infection while in care at your local hospital than while rolling around on the sidewalk in front of your house.  Speaking of which . . .

Just now I'm wondering why Kirby, who gave us knife sharpeners, drills and buffing attachments, never came up with a snow blowing attachment.  I'd be content with dust mites I can't see as long as I could get rid of some of the snow I've been looking at.

Best,

Venson