Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I heard tell that there was a new Lux coming down the pike.  Anyone have any info?  Is it a new Lux or a redesigned Guardian?

Some hear tell it has a digital motor. 

Hertz wrote:

Hi Hertz,

You're talking apples and oranges.  Lux has its own following and so does Miele and both probably always will.  Both clean satisfactorily. 

Personally, I've used Luxes for years but have never been impressed with the power nozzles. I do like Lux better since the HEPA after-filter has come into play but to my knowledge there is still no facility for a pre-filter.  Necessary?  Maybe.

Also there has not been much talk of impressively quiet Lux operation.

I own a Miele S5 and though I think more should have been thrown into the deal regarding price, I am more than satisfied with its performance.  The power nozzle has a sophisticated height adjustment -- so does less expensive Kenmore.  The hose handle puts complete control of the machine and PN right under my thumb.  I can thoroughly clean anything from thick broadloom to a scatter rug with little problem. Nice but also not news as there are a few other brands that can accomplish the same. 

So, what's the big deal for me?  Filtration.  With use of high-filtration Miele bags the bag chamber stays clean as a whistle and I like that.  Despite this bags filtering capability, there are pre-motor filters also supplied.  I like that as, after sale, I feel my investment has been as thoroughly protected as possible by the maker.  My biggest complaint about my Miele Capricorn is that the paint job isn't all that great OR durable.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I believe the color is all the way through on Lux's plastic body machines.

By the way, the issue of place of manufacturer is being recognized too late.  If we as Americans had been more aware of the problems that would come from farming out supply and manufacture sources for things we want but don't need things might be better presently. Asia did not invade this country and hold guns on us and demand we buy its goods.  That was the work of overly ambitious American entrepreneurs looking to buy low, sell high and gain maximum profit no matter the cost. Nonethelees, its a little late for judgement calls don't you think?  The cat is out of the bag and the horse is out of the barn. 

Venson

Thanks for the reply Venson, but I am really liking the Lux's engineering and desing; straight line build where there's bag, then motor, then filter, in that order - nothing besides eachother. I also really like the automatic shutoff, too. However, I'm really torn between a Miele, Sebo, and Lux. They're all great machines, but the ticker for me would be whether or not the NEWEST, LATEST Lux's are still build in the U.S.A, and when I called Aerus, they said they still were, so that's great B) So yeah, they're all incredible vacuums, that's for sure, but actually the REAL ticker for me now is whether or not the newest Lux's like the Legacy (or even the older Epic 6500), and Classic are COMPLETELY sealed, like a Miele? I know they're not HEPA, but they're damn near close, so that's not an issue, but what WOULD be an issue if there would be ANY AIR coming out of like the cord rewind and such with the Lux's. Could you verify that they are completely sealed or not?

Air escaping out of a cord rewind outlet doesn't neccessarily mean that air is escaping from the motor or the bag area. I've never felt or heard any of the UK cylinders I've had which do this and that includes Hoover's venerable old Telios.

No, of course the air travels through the bag area first, but after it gets blown out of the motor, on nearly EVERY vacuum out there besides the REAL high end ones (and maybe even some of those, too) air will escape out of the cord rewind and all sorts of places. Meaning the vacuum isn't *sealed*. This is what makes Miele so famous, as well as Sebo. Kirby's and FilterQueens are also COMPLETELY sealed, except for the separate motor cooling port on the Kirby which only blows out carbon dust, so it isn't a big deal. I'm nearly CERTAIN that Electrolux's - the REAL, AERUS ones - are sealed, as I just talked to a guy who rebuilds them and he says "all the air comes out of the blow hole" Can anybody else verify that the newest and latest Aerus Lux's are Miele-Like sealed?

If I am not mistaking, I thought the E-lux had air go through the cord winder and hole on purpose.  In order to cool the cord that may still be coiled.

Maybe this is just something I picked up and stored out of context, but it always made sense to me.

Hertz wrote:
Heres a little insight to why miele  is pushed and sold at indys.

Quite a few dealers tell their customers that miele is a german electrolux, And i bet that your mother and aunties  really loved their electroluxes didnt they.

The secrets in the bag cage, take a look.

regards

MOLE

Thanks for not answering my question mole. :P I'm wondering in terms of build quality, performance, and noise. I am actually looking at DYSON right now B) I'm really starting to dig their design and cleaning power and features, but I still am really interested in Miele and Aerus.

Hertz,

    The Legacy, 6500 and all canistersof that body style are sealed. They use after filters where the blower is.

So there is absolutely *NO* air leakage and escape ANYWHERE else around the machine except for the blower hole?

Hertz wrote:

To my recall, new Luxes can be used for blowing -- a great but no longer much appreciated feature.  Air leaks before the blower port would defeat the purpose.  The less delivery of suction or blowing power a vacuum supplies, the less desirable a machine it is.

If you've ever taken one apart, the metal models from the 1205 on had a cord real that's a module of sorts.  The cord and rewind mechanism are all inside a closed case.  This is almost teh same as with the Model G whose cord reel was also in a contained module with a pass-through for exhaust air and a port for hose attachment.  It fitted onto the cleaner with screws I think but there was a rubber gasket in place to stop air leakage all around  where it attached to the body of the canister.  Again -- no air leakage.

The Lux plastic body models all can serve as blowers in the same fashion and thus I'd think that yes, Luxes are basically "sealed systems."

Venson