Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

First HSN and now it's going to be on QVC....

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Dustmite,

For those of us who don't watch HSN or QVC, could you please elaborate on what exactly these false comparisons are?   It's not enough to say that they're false - just because you don't like the results. 

Severus wrote:
God you're lazy...  HSN has these video's archived on YouTube and or their website.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
So what's false in the comparisons?  If you want to make the claim that the comparisons aren't valid provide some good reasons.

Lucky1 wrote:

I'm with you Lucky1.  Earlier there were posts about BEST BUY grouping appliances for sales and supposedly savings.  These 'group sales' benefit the seller/retailer not the buyer.  Buying the same items on sale separately if you do the math yields more savings to the buyers.

WRT dyson bundling, retailers can't predict what the buyers want to have bundled to clinch the sale on the item they really want to purchase.  So dyson throws in a DC16 free.  Do all buyers want it and need it with their dyson purchase?  So dyson throws in the car cleaning kit free.  Do all buyers want it and need it?  So dyson throws in the rug cleaning kit free.  Do all buyers want it, need it and will they even use it? 

Dyson should do what ORECK does.  Sell its products bundled and unbundled.  If buyers don't like the bundle, reduce the price on the core product and sell separately at a lower price.  ORECK learned this lesson after many years BUT it took hard economic times to convince ORECK to finally do it.  

I'm with the concensus on Shimkus.  He's no David Oreck.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Just to reinterate Lucky1's point Dib.  If dyson's lucky, it can persuade some brick and mortar stores to be warranty dyson dealers.  Not QVC and HSN.  If the independent vacuum stores are [authorized dyson warranty shops] HSN, QVC, big box stores, fly by night internet dealers, even dyson itself, can't touch them. 

If dyson is in the vacuum industry for the long haul, and to date it has not convinced me it is [ just the opposite in fact] it needs to belly up to the table and get serious about partnering and enlisting the vacuum indies as dyson warranty/repair centers.  Else follow the ORECK model with its own network of stores.  Your constant bad mouthing and trash talking ALL indies here doesn't help dyson's cause.  Dyson suing all its competitors for frivolous and capricious reasons is not the way.  QVC and HSN bundling dyson products [that don't sell/can't sell in any other venues due to the current economic times] is not the way.  Even with no interest, and a dozen payments over 10 years.  Not now and likely not in the future.  TV sales venues for high priced home products [their bread and butter] will likely disappear as a result of either the current recession or the enormous high rate of returns.  Put the two together and it's hopeless.  Perhaps the reason Shimkus is jumping networks.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

You need to start rubbing your beads good and hard...  I’ve never said all independents.  I’ve said many and alike. but not all...and you know it.

Dyson has plenty of dealers, just walk by most dealers and you’ll see a Dyson or two on the showroom floor...Oops sorry, those Dyson vacuums are not indicative of independent being an authorized Dyson dealer, but instead those Dyson’s are nailed to the floor...these dealers ain’t letting them go NO WHERE.


Dyson Invents Big

DIB,

  An independent has the right to sell what they want. They might offer to be a  Dyson  warranty center but the requirements to be one takes away some of our rights as an Independent.  I don't have to sell so many of any one brand to keep selling or repair. 

You said and I quote," It is laughable to think of  the sack- selling and lying thru their teeth, dying  on the vine independent." Jan.25, 2010  Kirby Bagless  Conversion

Where do you get that we are dying on the vine and what makes you think sales are hard to get?  You say we lie thru our teeth.  These remarks are slanderous.  You my friend will hurt the very line you defend by making Independents  a bad guy  . Oreck, has it's own stores but Independents also sell them.  The market out here is changing, hence Dyson going to QVC, and HSN. What happened to the great MAP that everybody got the same price?  When a company goes these routes it is usually to get capital flowing when things get slow or help keep things fluid in slow economic times. Which is it my friend?

                                                                                                                          Procare

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib:

You just posted these two messages on the same thread WRT the same topic.  What part of " no brick and mortar can touch this" [your words] is not inclusive of ALL indies?  BTW, BEST BUY, tho not an indie, is selling new DC17 dysons for $299.  Beats HSN and QVC dyson bundled/unbundled prices.  This is the point I made to illustrate that your perspective/opinion about retailers' dyson prices and those of the TV sales is wrong....just like you about ALL indies and ALL bagged vacuums.  Sue, sue, sue.  Bash, bash, bash.  How's that working for you and Sir James?

If dyson and you don't belly up to the table and start bargaining nicely with vacuum indies to sell/fix dysons [especially under warranty which is now 5 years], pretty soon you/Sir James and dyson will be begging them to do so.  What will you do when they say no thanks.  Go see QVC and HSN. 

What's that I hear?   Sounds like a dirge ................

Carmine D.

check out this weeks Best Buy ad... $150 off the Dyson DC17...

And it looks like the DC 25 first time airing on QVC was a big success...