Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

First HSN and now it's going to be on QVC....

Acerone:

I think customers now can snag better price deals on vacuums from most other retailers compared to HSN and QVC.

Carmine D.

Acerone wrote:
Thanks Ace.  Dave Shimkus has not been demoing Dyson’s on HSN and now we know why (presuming he’s going on QVC).

HSN has stood should to shoulder with Hoover as they target Dyson and defecate.  Lying comes naturally at Chinese [U.S.] Hoover.  It has been insulting and horrifying to watch HSN stand by and even participate in Chinese Hoover’s lambasting of Dyson and false comparisons to Dyson, and false mechanical claims.  Buyer beware.


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CarmineD wrote:
That would depend on the QVC bundle and deal.  In the past, HSN would bundle $80-$120 plus worth of accessories and 4 flex pays and free ship... no brick and mortar can touch this.

I really don't like Dave Shimkus..... I hope QVC has someone that's better then him..... And I hope they do someone on the DC22.... FWIW... Dyson on QVC starts midnight tonight....

DysonInventsBig wrote:

And this is good how???? By the way...Who does the QVC Dyson warranty repairs...Dave Shimkus???

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Dustmite,

For those of us who don't watch HSN or QVC, could you please elaborate on what exactly these false comparisons are?   It's not enough to say that they're false - just because you don't like the results. 

Severus wrote:
God you're lazy...  HSN has these video's archived on YouTube and or their website.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
So what's false in the comparisons?  If you want to make the claim that the comparisons aren't valid provide some good reasons.

Lucky1 wrote:

I'm with you Lucky1.  Earlier there were posts about BEST BUY grouping appliances for sales and supposedly savings.  These 'group sales' benefit the seller/retailer not the buyer.  Buying the same items on sale separately if you do the math yields more savings to the buyers.

WRT dyson bundling, retailers can't predict what the buyers want to have bundled to clinch the sale on the item they really want to purchase.  So dyson throws in a DC16 free.  Do all buyers want it and need it with their dyson purchase?  So dyson throws in the car cleaning kit free.  Do all buyers want it and need it?  So dyson throws in the rug cleaning kit free.  Do all buyers want it, need it and will they even use it? 

Dyson should do what ORECK does.  Sell its products bundled and unbundled.  If buyers don't like the bundle, reduce the price on the core product and sell separately at a lower price.  ORECK learned this lesson after many years BUT it took hard economic times to convince ORECK to finally do it.  

I'm with the concensus on Shimkus.  He's no David Oreck.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Just to reinterate Lucky1's point Dib.  If dyson's lucky, it can persuade some brick and mortar stores to be warranty dyson dealers.  Not QVC and HSN.  If the independent vacuum stores are [authorized dyson warranty shops] HSN, QVC, big box stores, fly by night internet dealers, even dyson itself, can't touch them. 

If dyson is in the vacuum industry for the long haul, and to date it has not convinced me it is [ just the opposite in fact] it needs to belly up to the table and get serious about partnering and enlisting the vacuum indies as dyson warranty/repair centers.  Else follow the ORECK model with its own network of stores.  Your constant bad mouthing and trash talking ALL indies here doesn't help dyson's cause.  Dyson suing all its competitors for frivolous and capricious reasons is not the way.  QVC and HSN bundling dyson products [that don't sell/can't sell in any other venues due to the current economic times] is not the way.  Even with no interest, and a dozen payments over 10 years.  Not now and likely not in the future.  TV sales venues for high priced home products [their bread and butter] will likely disappear as a result of either the current recession or the enormous high rate of returns.  Put the two together and it's hopeless.  Perhaps the reason Shimkus is jumping networks.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

You need to start rubbing your beads good and hard...  I’ve never said all independents.  I’ve said many and alike. but not all...and you know it.

Dyson has plenty of dealers, just walk by most dealers and you’ll see a Dyson or two on the showroom floor...Oops sorry, those Dyson vacuums are not indicative of independent being an authorized Dyson dealer, but instead those Dyson’s are nailed to the floor...these dealers ain’t letting them go NO WHERE.


Dyson Invents Big

DIB,

  An independent has the right to sell what they want. They might offer to be a  Dyson  warranty center but the requirements to be one takes away some of our rights as an Independent.  I don't have to sell so many of any one brand to keep selling or repair. 

You said and I quote," It is laughable to think of  the sack- selling and lying thru their teeth, dying  on the vine independent." Jan.25, 2010  Kirby Bagless  Conversion

Where do you get that we are dying on the vine and what makes you think sales are hard to get?  You say we lie thru our teeth.  These remarks are slanderous.  You my friend will hurt the very line you defend by making Independents  a bad guy  . Oreck, has it's own stores but Independents also sell them.  The market out here is changing, hence Dyson going to QVC, and HSN. What happened to the great MAP that everybody got the same price?  When a company goes these routes it is usually to get capital flowing when things get slow or help keep things fluid in slow economic times. Which is it my friend?

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DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib:

You just posted these two messages on the same thread WRT the same topic.  What part of " no brick and mortar can touch this" [your words] is not inclusive of ALL indies?  BTW, BEST BUY, tho not an indie, is selling new DC17 dysons for $299.  Beats HSN and QVC dyson bundled/unbundled prices.  This is the point I made to illustrate that your perspective/opinion about retailers' dyson prices and those of the TV sales is wrong....just like you about ALL indies and ALL bagged vacuums.  Sue, sue, sue.  Bash, bash, bash.  How's that working for you and Sir James?

If dyson and you don't belly up to the table and start bargaining nicely with vacuum indies to sell/fix dysons [especially under warranty which is now 5 years], pretty soon you/Sir James and dyson will be begging them to do so.  What will you do when they say no thanks.  Go see QVC and HSN. 

What's that I hear?   Sounds like a dirge ................

Carmine D.

check out this weeks Best Buy ad... $150 off the Dyson DC17...

And it looks like the DC 25 first time airing on QVC was a big success...

Acerone wrote:
After 2 airings (3am and 2pm Eastern) QVC said they sold $13,000 units of the DC25.

What's the issue here? Dyson have always been on QVC UK. Good bargains to be had on there if you can get through on the phone lines.

vacmanuk wrote:

Over here only on HSN until midnight last night...

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Not bad at all....

Acerone wrote:

Only half the story.  How many are returned? This is the dyson ball model with the motor wiring harness that fails within months of use.  Has it been corrected/resolved?

Carmine D.

QVC UK also sell Orecks!

vacmanuk wrote:

Are there ORECK stores in the UK?

Carmine D.

Dustmite wrote:

Thanks Ace.  Dave Shimkus has not been demoing Dyson’s on HSN and now we know why (presuming he’s going on QVC).

HSN has stood should to shoulder with Hoover as they target Dyson and defecate.  Lying comes naturally at Chinese [U.S.] Hoover.  It has been insulting and horrifying to watch HSN stand by and even participate in Chinese Hoover’s lambasting of Dyson and false comparisons to Dyson, and false mechanical claims.  Buyer beware.


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Severus wrote:

Dustmite,

I'm still waiting for your explanation of what's false?     Just because you don't like the results doesn't make it false.   Please elaborate.  

Severus wrote:

Dyson's infamous mantra:  Never clogs, never loses suction. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
For a little while...................

Dustmite wrote:

Thanks Ace.  Dave Shimkus has not been demoing Dyson’s on HSN and now we know why (presuming he’s going on QVC).

HSN has stood should to shoulder with Hoover as they target Dyson and defecate.  Lying comes naturally at Chinese [U.S.] Hoover.  It has been insulting and horrifying to watch HSN stand by and even participate in Chinese Hoover’s lambasting of Dyson and false comparisons to Dyson, and false mechanical claims.  Buyer beware.


Dyson Invents Big

Severus wrote:

Severus wrote:

Venson,

You Dyson-bad mouther’s are a time-suck.  In the past, I’ve built plenty of pro-Dyson arguments and produce plenty of pro-Dyson research only to have it dismissed without proving otherwise.  So...  you first.  Go ahead and watch the jaw-dropping, radical Red Fusion (and Fusion rebadging) HSN demos and report your findings...  Is Red conning or is Red not conning.  I’ll follow up.

There’s plenty of Fusion (and Fusion rebadging) on Youtube and HSN.  I hope you pick and link here the more obvious con-demos.


Dyson Invents Big

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Geez DIB, have you missed my attention that much? You're going off again you know.  If you need aid in keeping up with your medicine, I'll send money.

For the time being just give your head a little thump -- left side, right side, wherever.  Maybe you'll jar a loose marble or two back into their proper places.

Venson

Venson wrote:
Whatever Venson...now, how about posting that Red-review. 

Dustmite wrote:
Dustmite,

I don't need the HSN tests, I place my trust in Consumer Reports.  In fact, I just got my March issue in the mail today with the vacuum cleaner reviews. 

Curiously, the Dyson DC28 Animal at $600 (#13) is tied with the Hoover WindTunnel t-series for $130 (#14).   The Hoover actually get's better individual scores for tool air flow, handling, and pet hair.  However, CR selected the model with the short cord and no brush roll off switch (upgrade for $30), and the score would exceed that of the best Dyson.

In the top 11 (9, 10, and 11 are tied) uprights there are:

4 Hoover's
2 Miele's
2 kenmore's
2 panasonic's
1 Eureka

Severus wrote:

Thanks SEVERUS.  MARCH edition hasn't hit the newsstands/retailers yet.  Still, dyson just can't get it right yet.  Has to decide what it wants to do: vacuums or everything else.  Spreads its resources too thin.  Doesn't make anything better, starts anew, the prices keep going up, the product performance keeps going down. 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib:

You're living in the past.  Ancient history.  FUSION has been superceded years ago.  Where you been all your life?  Watching the Simpsons?

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dustmite,

It's simple.  Did each machine have the same opportunity to perform?  Was there anything artificial about the comparison that would not be relevant to normal usage?   Did they pick a test condition that obviously favored one brand over the other?  If you recall, I criticized the Shark Navigator ad for clogging the pleated filters in the Hoover before doing the suction comparison.  The emptied the dirt canister, but were very careful to dislodge the caked on dirt from the filters.  This is an unfair comparison because in normal use, the person emptying the Hoover would also tap the filter to remove the caked on dirt - or possibly even use a paint brush to remove the dirt.  This was a blatant attempt to reduce the performance of the Hoover. 

By the way, if you want me to analyze the demo for weaknesses, then please supply a link. 

CarmineD wrote:

No it must be an American thing. If you want an Oreck you either go through to www.oreck.co.uk or consider high street shops such as John Lewis.

vacmanuk wrote:

Thanks for the response vacmanuk.

Carmine D.