Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Looking back over the past year, one thing conspicuously absent from this forum is a rabid Rainbow enthusiast.  Perhaps it is difficult to justify the outrageous price of these door to door wonders.   To some extent, a Rainbow owner has to believe in the Rainbow sales pitch and doesn't want to be confronted with any negative information about the Rainbow.    I also noticed that overstock.com is no longer selling the refurbished Rainbow SE's with the Wesselwerks small power nozzles.    Given the economy, it's got to be tough selling $2000+ vacuums - even if they can purify one's home. 

HARDSELL wrote:

HARDSELL:

HAPPY NEW YEAR.  Didn't I recall you buying a new Kirby Sentria for $675 under the tutelage of Warren B.  Would you say you got your money's worth?

Carmine D.

DIB,

 In all the writings you talk about how Dyson was first on bagless vacuums. That everybody copied his idea., How wrong could you be and this little thread is a good place to put this information.In reading a little history about Rainbow and it's history, I read that in 1928 bagless vacum was made using neither bags or  filters. It was called the Newcombe Bagless. It was first a handheld and then an upright (the first Dyson). The upright was eventualy dropped in favor of a canister. when all was said and done Rexair came out. They used the water to stop fine dust from going thru the motor but their claim was " No Loss Of Suction" World's first cleaner to use neither filter or bag.

procare wrote:
Procare,

I enjoy defending my words (when I’m right), only I do not recall saying James Dyson was first with Bagless.  He and his team are no-doubt the first to invent and/or innovate the worlds first consumer friendly vacuum cleaner separator package/system.  I personally hate the word bagless.  Anyways...  below is the Newcombe patent.  Who here can ascertain from this patent if the claims worked and how well?  Funny thing is Hoover UK passed on using this patent to demonstrate prior art as well as other Dyson competitors.  It looks like a hell-of-an-attempt.

Look, you guys are desperate to find error or a chink in the Dyson armor.  If the guy was not first with cyclonic, then he should be deemed brightest and smartest instead. 

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/1420665.pdf


Dyson Invents Big

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib-ster:

The point is that Sir James Dyson, your idol, publicly and professionally takes all credit for bagless vacuums now.  You give dyson here this credit when you impugn copy cat brands and models for imitating dyson bagless.  But it's not Sir James invention.  Dyson copied a little known patent/inventor from 1922.  At least to Rexair's credit, it perfected bagless technology for household applications 80 years ago.  All here would agree, except perhaps you and Sir James [after 5174 prototypes], that anyone with a little time, money and inclination can parlay the advances in the vacuum industry over 70 years with Newcombe's 1922 patent to produce a bagless vacuum that works better than Newcombe's 1922 version.  To Sir James Dyson's credit, he built himself a fortune by doing so and a new [really 70 years old] bagless vacuum industry got a renewed and profitable lease on life.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

HAPPY NEW YEAR to you also.  Yep, I bought a Kirby.  Sold it about a month back so I guess you could say I did not think it was worth what I paid.

HARDSELL wrote:

No, I did not say you did. 

I never sold new Kirby vacuums.  But from time to time, a loyal Kirby customer would insist on a new Kirby to buy.  When one did, I always connected the buyer with a local Kirby distributor for a good price.  I stayed out of it and let them do the deal.  I didn't want anything for thre referral, tho it was always offered.  I will say in over 40 plus years, before Buffett was the Kirby owner, I never had a Kirby buyer return to tell me that he/she regretted the buy.  In fact, several came back and bought another and another over the years.  Kirby has excellent name brand recognition in the industry and a loyal niche market of buyers/customers who have been its mainstay sales for generations.  Tho I think in the current economy new Kirby sales would be very difficult regardless of the customer loyalty/sales pitch.

Carmine D. 

DysonInventsBig wrote: CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

“Publicly and professionally” ...hey that rhymes.  Good for you.


Dyson Invents Big

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib-ster:

PROCARE's post about Newcombe's 1922 bagless vacuum invention/patent rings true.  Sir James Dyson, an inventor extraordinaire according to you, copied a 1922 bagless vacuum patent/invention. 

Then, Sir James in his marketing pitch supposedly tests 5174 bagless prototypes, never once crediting Newcombe's patent, before finally perfecting the bagless upright.  Sir James Dyson takes all the credit.  Even claims all the knock offs are stealing from him.   Slick marketing reinventing and/or reinnovating truth.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Based on your posts here you sold all the vacuums you ever bought including a dyson DC07 except a Rainbow which you still have.  By your selling actions and posts are you saying that all the vauums you ever owned and subsequently sold were not worth the prices you paid except for the Rainbow?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

The interesting thing about Rainbow owners is that they tend to be extremely loyal.   I'm always amazed when I read the overwhelming number of positive reviews by Rainbow owners.   Sure there are those who hate them, but most like the water filtration idea.    I heard an administrative assistant say that she bought one when she was first married - and paid nearly $3000 with interest payments.  It broke down after 7 or so years.   Yet, she still would like another one.  Even though it's a bit of a pain in the butt to use, she felt like she was missing something without it.   I was shocked that with her limited resources, she and her husband would even consider buying a Rainbow.  For whatever reason, there seems to be an emotional attachment to these vacuums.