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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #21 Dec 15, 2009 2:25 pm |
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Remember how Carmine claimed that Gary cheated against Oreck and Dyson. Why do you think Shark would not? I would not take a free vac with pleated filter. I used a Bissell HH agains the DC07 and my preference was the 07. I believe little to nothing reported by CR as I have not achieved the same results in real world use as they report. THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO VACUUMS. I agree that knock offs very often best the originals. I still think that the DC07 was an excellent vacuum. It has been downhill for Dyson ever since IMO. JD has let his ego stand in the way of success. I am not married to any brand and have no reservations with changing to what best serves my needs. I have defended Dyson not because it is the best but simply I do not think it is as bad as those who never profited from it would have the world believe. What has or does satisfy me will not do the same for all. I would advise everyone to try (regardless of commodity) for yourself and take what any other says with a grain of salt.
Other than the Platinum series I do not notice any improvements to Hoover. Please remember this is coming from a user only. Sometimes user views are as accurate as those blinded by what they sell (or sold) IMO. I like the platinum very much. I finally sold the Kirby. Still have the Rainbow and Royal. The platinum leaves the carpet looking more groomed than the others. In three months the platinum bag has collected a lot of dust and debris. Unscientifically it seems to be picking up more thatn the others. The lack of brush turn off is one of the biggest faults on the platinum. Still it cleans hard surfaces without problem. However, I am concerned about the brush damaging my wood flooring. Recently I gave it an inspection. I removed the sole plate and found what I consider too much dirt, dust and carpet fuzz trapped under it. I did this because I could see fuzz hung in the inlet behind the brush. Time will tell if this will be a problem. The canister that is included is powerful. I use it to clean hard surfaces due to the brushes on the upright. Like all others that I have used the wheels do leave tracks on the carpet. Recently I saw the Oreck XL Signature at Target. I then visited an Oreck center to ask the difference in it and what they sold. I got the expected song and dance about why his was better. Longer warranty. 1 year at store vs 3 at Target in same price range (can you figure this out). Better brush (reduces or prohibits germ build up). How long before this coating wears off as bristles wear? Better outer bag. Again his was perforated where Target bag is same as his more expensive Oreck . Store manager told me that Signature was not recommended for hard surfaces because the single speed would cause debris/dust to be scattered with no low speed. I said that I would use the hand held for that chore. He commented that it was not durable for running that length of time and would likely burn out the motor. I mentioned that the platinum did just fine on hard surfaces on high. It was amusing to listen to him back up on his original statements. I guess as an independent there is nothing wrong with his lies to upgrade a sale. I went directly to Target and bought a XL Signature. My opinion has not changed from my experience with the XL21. Oreck simply does not perform. I have a very short pile rug over tile in one room. The Oreck is almost impossible to push/pull on it. It bounces and skips across my other carpet when pulling back. It sounds as if it is scraping the finish off the wood floors. The cord must weight 5 lbs. The hand held has very very low suction power. The XL bag could pass for new after 3 uses. No cleaning power. Thanks for your comments. Oreck seems to be making some of the mistakes that Aerus/Lux made in going the big box store route (i.e. undercutting the Oreck stores). Has there been a change in management at Oreck? David Oreck is a very shrewd salesman. I can't believe he would allow the company stores to have worse deals than Target.
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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #24 Dec 15, 2009 9:57 pm |
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Aerus went BBS???? Isn't there an Asian controlled Big Money Holding Co syndicate running Oreck now? I'm pretty sure their responsible. Sorry, I misspoke slightly. A long time back Electrolux (before changing name to Aerus), sold vacuums cheap on QVC and also sold uprights at Sam's Club. The prices at these venues were cheaper than through company stores. I still hear David Oreck on the radio. His latest greatest vacuum can spin on a dime and comes with bonus vacuums.
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M00seUK
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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #27 Dec 16, 2009 8:23 am |
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And pay the higher UK taxes imposed recently. Carmine D. Although someone like Dyson who regularly file new patents would stand to benefit in the near term, with recently announced R&D tax incentives in the UK.
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CarmineD
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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #29 Dec 16, 2009 8:54 am |
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COMPACT POWER The Electrolux Intensity upright vacuum, $300, offers plenty of suction and folds into a neat package. This is the EUREKA LUX Intensity. Now selling new for $90. It is in the running along with SHark Navigator and DC24 Ball dyson. Since I am primarily interested in the upright, not attachments, the Intensity at the price is the leader. With 80 percent of ceramic tile floors, the ball model would be a nuisance to clean using the attachments vice the SHark and Intensity which could be used in the upright mode for the task. Carmine D.
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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 397
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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #30 Dec 16, 2009 9:59 am |
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COMPACT POWER The Electrolux Intensity upright vacuum, $300, offers plenty of suction and folds into a neat package. This is the EUREKA LUX Intensity. Now selling new for $90. It is in the running along with SHark Navigator and DC24 Ball dyson. Since I am primarily interested in the upright, not attachments, the Intensity at the price is the leader. With 80 percent of ceramic tile floors, the ball model would be a nuisance to clean using the attachments vice the SHark and Intensity which could be used in the upright mode for the task. Carmine D. Carmine, Why did the price drop so much? Are the bags particularly small or something? I take it that you are not a fan of canisters. I wonder if the Miele Art, suction only uprights, could be had at a decent price. Have they been discontinued?
This message was modified Dec 16, 2009 by Severus
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