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Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Original Message   Dec 12, 2009 4:23 pm
Shark is going after the Dyson Ball pretty hard with the Navigator product.  It claims no loss of suction and claims its just as easy to maneuver as the Dyson Ball.  After acknowledging Dyson as the first to offer no loss of suction, they go for the throat.  They do a direct comparison to a Dyson Ball and state that they are equal in all ways (easy to maneuver, no loss of suction, 5 year warranty) but price.  For less than $200 you can get a Shark Navigator with a free steam cleaner thrown in to boot. 

The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable.  The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking. 
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Severus


If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...

Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 397

Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #56   Jan 3, 2010 2:01 am
CarmineD wrote:
Another new Shark product at KOHL's stores.  Looks impressive.  Good price.  Cordless.  2 battery packs: one for use and one for back-up.  Revolving brush for carpets.  Bagless venue is perfect for stick/hand vacuum usage. 

Carmine D.

Shark™ VX93 2-in-1 StickVac Cordless Vacuum
regular $114.99
sale $99.99

Keep all the floors in your home spotless. From bare floors to hard-to-reach areas, this Shark 2-in-1 StickVac has you covered.

  • Lightweight, multipurpose design converts from a stick vacuum to a hand vacuum for versatile use.
  • Two-speed motorized brush roll and powerful suction provide use on bare floors or carpets.
  • Two removable, rechargeable batteries and a dual charger ensure your vacuum is always ready for use.
  • Telescoping handle adjusts for comfortable cleaning.
  • Swivel steering makes it easy to maneuver into tight spaces.
  • Large capacity cyclonic dust cup promises easy cleanup.
  • Details:
    • Includes: two 10.8-volt rechargeable batteries & dual battery charger
    • Model no. SV800BB


I'm still not sold on cordless for household appliances, but it looks like a nice way to extend the cordless time.  Perhaps Dyson will copy Shark and start adding a second battery to their handheld. 

The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable.  The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking. 
CarmineD


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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #57   Jan 3, 2010 6:36 am
Severus wrote:
I'm still not sold on cordless for household appliances, but it looks like a nice way to extend the cordless time.  Perhaps Dyson will copy Shark and start adding a second battery to their handheld. 
I agree.  Cordless is still in its infancy in the vacuum industry.  Like you I think the spare is a nice selling feature.
Carmine D.
CarmineD


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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #58   Mar 14, 2010 7:59 am
Internet reviews of the Shark navigiator are piling up and appear very good.  A recent TV ad pits a James Dyson look alike complete with hair and accent and his famed dyson upright to an American housewife and a lowly shark navigator.  The latter wins out over the former in every category including price.  Bed Bath and Beyond as well as other retailers, like Target, BEST BUY, Frys, etc all carry and sell the Shark Navigator and their customers give it glowing reviews.  Bagless competition is fierce presently especially with pricing

Carmine D.

Venson


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Points: 1900

Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #59   Mar 14, 2010 11:32 am
CarmineD wrote:
Internet reviews of the Shark navigiator are piling up and appear very good.  A recent TV ad pits a James Dyson look alike complete with hair and accent and his famed dyson upright to an American housewife and a lowly shark navigator.  The latter wins out over the former in every category including price.  Bed Bath and Beyond as well as other retailers, like Target, BEST BUY, Frys, etc all carry and sell the Shark Navigator and their customers give it glowing reviews.  Bagless competition is fierce presently especially with pricing

Carmine D.



Thanks Carmine.  I'm glad to learn that good AND affordable competition is out there and, even better, buyers are speaking well of it.

Best,

Venson

CarmineD


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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #60   Mar 14, 2010 2:15 pm
Venson wrote:
Thanks Carmine.  I'm glad to learn that good AND affordable competition is out there and, even better, buyers are speaking well of it.

Best,

Venson


Hello Venson:

If I were still in the vacuum business, I'd carry and sell the Shark Navigator specifically for customers solely interested in a bagless upright.  It meets/beats the TOL big box store bagless brand.  Even if I didn't make any money on the Shark-Navigator sales, I'd keep bagless vacuum customer clientele.

Carmine D.

Lucky1


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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #61   Mar 15, 2010 4:34 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello Venson:

If I were still in the vacuum business, I'd carry and sell the Shark Navigator specifically for customers solely interested in a bagless upright.  It meets/beats the TOL big box store bagless brand.  Even if I didn't make any money on the Shark-Navigator sales, I'd keep bagless vacuum customer clientele.

Carmine D.



Shark makes the worst products in the Vacuum business. I'd most certainly carry Dyson over ANYTHING shark.
Venson


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Points: 1900

Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #62   Mar 15, 2010 4:55 pm
Lucky1 wrote:
Shark makes the worst products in the Vacuum business. I'd most certainly carry Dyson over ANYTHING shark.


What's happening with the Shark Infinity uprights?  With their introduction, I was thinking Shark might be trying to clean up its act.  You can only go for so long hawking disposables despite a cheap price.  Shoppers, even the low-end ones, have better expectations and don't forget brand names when they feel they've been duped.  The company can't be unaware of its bad rep in past and though I don't have great expectations of its execs, I'd think it must know, despite the nicer pricing, that people do remember. 

The past Euro-Pro/Shark lightweight  models I've owned all got chucked due to short-lived filters which were expensive to replace.  I haven't really used one long term but think since these models new are relying on cyclonics and not the pleatyed filters as a mainstay as earlier models did, I'd suspect they've a better chance.

Venson

CarmineD


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Points: 5894

Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #63   Mar 15, 2010 5:00 pm
Lucky1 wrote:
Shark makes the worst products in the Vacuum business. I'd most certainly carry Dyson over ANYTHING shark.
Venson wrote:
What's happening with the Shark Infinity uprights?  With their introduction, I was thinking Shark might be trying to clean up its act.  You can only go for so long hawking disposables despite a cheap price.  Shoppers, even the low-end ones, have better expectations and don't forget brand names when they feel they've been duped.  The company can't be unaware of its bad rep in past and though I don't have great expectations of its execs, I'd think it must know, despite the nicer pricing, that people do remember. 

The past Euro-Pro/Shark lightweight  models I've owned all got chucked due to short-lived filters which were expensive to replace.  I haven't really used one long term but think since these models new are relying on cyclonics and not the pleatyed filters as a mainstay as earlier models did, I'd suspect they've a better chance.

Venson



If dyson offered a bagless upright with the same features and warranty [5 years] as the Shark Navigator for $150-$200, I'd carry and sell too for bagless vacuum customers.  Unfortunately, dyson is and always has been too expensive for most vacuum buyers who for the same dyson prices have much better options than dyson offerings at independent vacuum cleaner stores.

Carmine D.

This message was modified Mar 15, 2010 by CarmineD
vacmanuk


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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #64   Mar 15, 2010 5:50 pm
http://www.getprice.com.au/images/uploadimg/250_BimgVax%20V045.jpg

Here is the Vax V-045 Widetrack sold in the UK from 2003. I had one and it was lousy. Horrible noise and hose that you had to attach permanently to the back of the handle and a mesh covered over a paper pleated cone filter. Years later I was shocked when I discovered a tarted up model that Euro Shark sell called the Infinity NV. Now of course several years after that the next one up in the line up uses a slightly different body and guess what, the TTi inspired "no loss of suction filters." Ive a feeling that Euro-Shark are using TTi but don't quote me, for their ranges.


Venson


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Points: 1900

Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #65   Mar 16, 2010 12:11 pm
Howdy all,

Just got back from browsing Costco.  The Shark's Navigator is there and priced at $150 which is just 5 bucks more than the store is asking for the rechargeable Hoover Platinum stick vac.  The Oreck combo -- upright and its portable vac -- is marked for $250.  The Dyson DC14, which hasn't been on the shelves for a while, is back and tagged at $400.

Venson

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