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M00seUK
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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #27 Dec 16, 2009 8:23 am |
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And pay the higher UK taxes imposed recently. Carmine D. Although someone like Dyson who regularly file new patents would stand to benefit in the near term, with recently announced R&D tax incentives in the UK.
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CarmineD
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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #29 Dec 16, 2009 8:54 am |
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 COMPACT POWER The Electrolux Intensity upright vacuum, $300, offers plenty of suction and folds into a neat package. This is the EUREKA LUX Intensity. Now selling new for $90. It is in the running along with SHark Navigator and DC24 Ball dyson. Since I am primarily interested in the upright, not attachments, the Intensity at the price is the leader. With 80 percent of ceramic tile floors, the ball model would be a nuisance to clean using the attachments vice the SHark and Intensity which could be used in the upright mode for the task. Carmine D.
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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #30 Dec 16, 2009 9:59 am |
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COMPACT POWER The Electrolux Intensity upright vacuum, $300, offers plenty of suction and folds into a neat package. This is the EUREKA LUX Intensity. Now selling new for $90. It is in the running along with SHark Navigator and DC24 Ball dyson. Since I am primarily interested in the upright, not attachments, the Intensity at the price is the leader. With 80 percent of ceramic tile floors, the ball model would be a nuisance to clean using the attachments vice the SHark and Intensity which could be used in the upright mode for the task. Carmine D. Carmine, Why did the price drop so much? Are the bags particularly small or something? I take it that you are not a fan of canisters. I wonder if the Miele Art, suction only uprights, could be had at a decent price. Have they been discontinued?
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The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable. The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking.
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CarmineD
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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #31 Dec 16, 2009 12:39 pm |
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Carmine, Why did the price drop so much? Are the bags particularly small or something? I take it that you are not a fan of canisters. I wonder if the Miele Art, suction only uprights, could be had at a decent price. Have they been discontinued?
SEVERUS:
You're right. I am not a cann and tank person. More upright centered. The EUR/LUX Intensity never sold well despite it's good rug performance and desirable features. No doubt in large part due to the appearance which never appealed to most vacuum customers. I suspect this model is discontinued and may even be replaced by another lightweight model from EUR/LUX very soon. Bag is very small. Interesting that you compare/mention along with the MIELE Art series. I do too especially in appearance. The straight suction MIELE Art series ups are no longer sold on the MIELE Web Site. IMHO, made and sold to yuppies during the dot.com/high tech boom to buyers with lots of disposable income. Tho, Consumer Reports rated the MIELE Art series decently on rugs. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #32 Dec 16, 2009 1:08 pm |
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Agree SEVERUS. If I didn't know better, I'd say ORECK is looking to down size its network of stores. Things change. Not always for the better. Carmine D.
Sadly I have watched family owned businesses falter when the younger generation takes the throne.
The old work ethics still prevail over modern business ideas. Today's generation wants the income with less work. They do not have the dedication of those such as yourself.
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HARDSELL
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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #33 Dec 16, 2009 1:30 pm |
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Who is backing the 3 yr Target warranty? Target or Oreck? I'm hearing from irate franchise owners that they won't do BBS warrantees. I can just hear the loud speaker at Target "Jenny... Vacuum Repair on Aisle 3!"
Lucky, can't answer your question honestly. I do understand the franchise owners balking.
Im totally confused now.. on the basis that you were given a good opinion about an Oreck's poor performance you went ahead and bought one anyway? I considered the source of the information (salesman wanting to upgrade a sale to a two speed). Other Oreck salesmen have said single speed is OK. Look back and see how many opinions I and others have been given about excellent Oreck performance. All the nagatives that I have posted about my first Oreck still exist. Regardless of CR or 55 year veterans praise I find the Oreck to be inferior to any vacuum that I have owned.
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CarmineD
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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #34 Dec 16, 2009 1:44 pm |
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Lucky, can't answer your question honestly. I do understand the franchise owners balking. I considered the source of the information (salesman wanting to upgrade a sale to a two speed). Other Oreck salesmen have said single speed is OK. Look back and see how many opinions I and others have been given about excellent Oreck performance. All the nagatives that I have posted about my first Oreck still exist. Regardless of CR or 55 year veterans praise I find the Oreck to be inferior to any vacuum that I have owned.
Obviously HS if you are comparing a strictly upright mode lightweight to full size vacuums with attachments then you are going to be disappointed. I see you like the HOOVER Platinum lightweight much better than ORECK. Tho you despise and impughn Consumer Reports vacuum ratings, CR gave it number 2 overall in the upright class. And you seem to agree so far. I personally and professionally think CR was generous in the rating/ranking and rate/rank both ORECK and Platinum lightweight comparable overall. But each stronger than the other in different areas.
Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
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Re: Shark Navigator - a flagrant Dyson copy at 1/3 the price?
Reply #35 Dec 16, 2009 1:46 pm |
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Hello HS: I highlighted two of your statements for additional clarification. Thanks for quoting me to answer SEVERUS. BUT.....I stated Garry disconnected the belt on the ORECK to prevent it from picking up the M&M's and cheerios in the TV infomercial. I provided you the proof for my statement. I never mentioned dyson in that comparison. NEVER. You can/may deduce that Garry would do the same with dyson as ORECK in that TV infomercial. However, at a minimum it would be a stretch, and more correctly outright wrong to use me as the proof to deduce that Shark would do the same against dyson in an entirely different TV advertisement. I NEVER said it. You have no proof for your statement that Shark would cheat, other than your opinion/assumption, and tho I'm flattered, no proof to quote me. WRT the ORECK dealer/sore, if he/she is the owner/operator of a franchised ORECK store he is not and independent, tho I agree he was pushing the envelope with the sale. Carmine D.
You are welcome. However it was not flattery. Simply a reference to your opinion. I used Dyson simply to indicate the infomercial to which I was referring. Being you usual self you think that Oreck was cheated but Dyson could not possibly be. My comment was not more a streteh than yours. Get over it. You proved nothing. My experience with Oreck is as valid as yours. I think it is a POS and we both are entitled to an opinion.
What validates an independent?
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