Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I received this "teaser email today: http://links.mkt2388.com/ctt?kn=1&m=2735925&r=MTgwOTM1MTgzMTcS1&b=0&j=NzgxMTAyODMS1&mt=1&rt=0
Anyone know what's up with this??

-=Art=-

Severus wrote:
I misspoke...he has the most money making patents of the last 20 yrs (except for maybe 3M's and others sack patents).  And others have more (in numbers) and more worthless patents (few or no competitors even bother to knock-off).  Speaking of uprights and canisters.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
It would be quite a subjective calculation, though? Number of patents vs. revenue? Say you have a product with 10 function / design patents, how much are each 'worth' to revenue earned over 12 months?

DysonInventsBig wrote:
M00seUK wrote:
If you want you could determine the dollar value (however you choose, whatever amount you choose) of the Dyson separator package (for example) and then divide it by the number of patents it takes to protect this unit - thats a way. 

Let me ask you something...  What is the strongest patent/s or invention held by a Dyson competitor?  Or what is the biggest money maker patent/s held by a Dyson competitor?  In terms of patents held - these tired competitor’s are 'stuck for an answer.'  What they do have is a bunch of U.S. dealers who hype and lie and gouge the trusting consumer.  In Europe these vacs are just vacs, in a U.S. and in the dealers showrooms these average vac’s somehow transform into unheard of and untouchable designs and require unheard of margins and pricing.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Apparently you don't know as much as you think OR you flip flop flap to suit the purpose.  Dyson itself in its press releases, and a dyson rep here in the past, Matt mmc AirBlade, provided the stat and data.

Seems whenever you get trumped by the facts and stats you get personal and play the dyson wealth card.  How's that working for you?

Several here posted these flaws and defects here for you to comment.  Nothing yet from you.  

1. Dyson DC25 ball with defective motor wirng harnesses after just months of sale/use from several sources posting here
2. Dyson DC23 Motorhead with defective power/nozzle hose electrical connection within several months of purchase and light use
3. Dyson DC24 with defective brush nozzle head new out of the box
4. Dyson DC17 with evidence of voided warranties on wool rugs [Unique carpeting] since the product launch and still
5. Evidence of additional premature rug wear on synthetic carpets by dyson vacuums with voided rug warranties, possibly due to DC28 design and rug settings [dyson's latest and greatest]
6. Finally, discontinuing the clutch after DC07 and DC14 high repair costs and faulty use on many style carpets

Deal with the core issues, if you dare.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib-ster:

You pretend that dyson patents and technology innovations equate to performance enhancement.  Yet, no one here, or in the vacuum industry, agrees with you.  Fact is, most say it amounts to nothing but overengineering hype and more sizzle than substance.  Calling these inventions form over function.  We see it with vacuums, hand dryers and now fans. 

No one doubts Sir James accumulation of wealth.  We disagree on the actual amount and the significance of the trend.  Forbes and UK Times tells us it is downward in the last few years. 

Carmine D.  

Like I tell you Dib-ster, wealth and success is not a sprint.  It's a marathon.  Dyson holds the money now.  But his competitors are rapidly taking it away from him with sales and products. 

Carmine D.

Lucky1 wrote:

Lucky1:

You have dib-ster's number.  Where he stands is a result of where he sits.  Perfectly alright for dib-ster to justify dyson's propensity to sue, cry foul, impugh competitors' better products at better prices, and pout when dyson loses market share in the market place.  Dib-ster's canned response:  All a result of bad mouthing dyson dealers who nail dysons to the display floor. 

BUT when dyson and dib-ster are selling snake oil products with exaggerated claims and marketing propaganda, it's all under the mantra of technological innovation.   How's that working for dyson lately? 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I vaguely remember reading that 183 patents were filed for the Dyson Ball.   Who knows how many patents Hoover filed for the Z upright. 

One of the most prolific inventors in the US based on patent counts is a guy from New York who patents his flower arrangements. 

As a company, IBM has been dominant in number of patents per year.   I believe I read one time that General Motors patented a numerical series useful in theoretical math. 

Although I haven't been all that impressed with recent Dyson advancements - the dirt separation unit was a big step forward in non-water filtered bagless vacuums. 

Severus wrote:

I'd have to agree though making exception by saying that the idea had been around a long time. Early central vacs (circa the mid-1900s) primarily employed "cyclonics" for dust separation. The method wasn't all that complex as the units were large and expelled their exhaust stream outside the places where they were in use. What Dyson did was find a way to shrink the whole deal enough to fit inside a portable machine. I have no documentation as to how much fine dust cyclonic systems can contain for how long and to what degree without additional filtering medium but Dyson also benefits from someone else's invention -- the HEPA filter. Without it the whole idea of a portable cyclonic vacuum might well be a washout. No one does it all on their own. Venson

Venson wrote:

Venson,

You make some great points.   I've never lived in a home with a central vac, so I don't know much about them.  

However, having used my sisters dirt clogged bagless Hoover foldaway and attempting to clean the pleated filter by banging the filter against the garbage can, I quickly learned to despise such filthy designs.  These bagless designs were far inferior to any bagged vacuum.    Because of that experience, I have some admiration for Dysons work in incorporating a relatively pain free bagless filtration system.