Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I received this "teaser email today: http://links.mkt2388.com/ctt?kn=1&m=2735925&r=MTgwOTM1MTgzMTcS1&b=0&j=NzgxMTAyODMS1&mt=1&rt=0
Anyone know what's up with this??

-=Art=-

vacmanuk wrote:
In validated tests conducted by Consumer Reports, most Dysons weren't too impressive at removing dirt from carpets.  While many Hoovers regularly get excellent scores for carpet cleaning (CR scores are:  Excellent, Very Good, good, fair, poor), Dysons with few exceptions only get "good" scores.  One notable exception is the new hard to push Dyson with air muscle technology.  It actually scored "very good" (still below the standard set by the Hoover bagged Windtunnel and $60 Tempo).  Given the same opportunity to remove dirt from the test rugs, the bagged Hoovers did a better job than the Dysons. 

If you did your test both ways, I believe the Hoover would pick up a lot more dirt that the Dyson missed than vice versa. 

That's not to say that your carpeting will be filthy if you have a Dyson.   If you use your Dyson regularly and thoroughly, you can have clean carpeting.  

SEVERUS:

A very savvy poster here once wrote that the HOOVER uprights are the gold standard of carpet cleaning and grooming.  Consumer Reports gets it right on this one.

Carmine D.

vacmanuk wrote: Severus wrote:
VacuumUK,

It seems Venson and Carmine don’t care much for your post.  I do.  FYI - Venson's buddies here are dealer[s] who's livelyhoods depends on selling bagged vacuums and the (often times) exclsive replacement bags (very expensive vacs and bags I might add).

CR on vacuums is worthless (nearly):    If you've read our CR debates here or looked critically how CR tests the lowly vacuum cleaner, bold faced refusal to discuss the benefits to Dyson-cyclonic’s, and their refusal to test real-world tests...  you'll see CR is dirty and their tests and the goofs who run the testing as laughable.  Heck, CR does not pay any federal or state taxes and it's still a financial looser.  They only stay in business because of the millions "donated" every year by individuals who are not affiliated with any corporation.


DIB

Laughable?
L  - photo:  CR showing their readers how uprights are difficult, limited, clumsy and somewhat dangerous to use at cleaning stairs.
R - photo:  Anyone with a 3rd grade or higher education showing how uprights can reach farther than canisters, are fast, simple and safer to use at cleaning stairs (onboard hose/wand made popular courtesy James Dyson).
 

DIB:

I find his posts hilarious.  I didn't realize that in this age and time some of the oldest and most legendary vacuum industry myths are still being circulated and believed.  What's even more hilarious is that if I remember correctly he said he is/was a paid reviewer for vacuum products and worked for Which?  Like they say:  What have you been doing all your life??

So, DIB should we now add Consumer Reports to the anti-dyson conspiracy along with all the indies in the USA? 

Carmine D.

Carmine,

  Earlier you stated that the last cleaner gets more dirt. Ther have been a few instances that I let the owner have the last vacuuming and had a clean bag or bin and they hardly pulled anything. A few times customers said they vacuumed before I came had new bag or bin and wasn't getting anything. One was a  two month old Dyson DC- 14  and one was a new Filter Queen and I really dug the dirt out and shocked the customers. Tri Star told a customer that they could clean the whole house and no one would pull anything behind them. When I went in to demo , they were still there and I beat him out. He tried everything in the book to show me and my trainee up but failed. He had a new man with him. Tried to sell her a new scratched unit and failed. Delivered a new machine next day. I told her and showed her what it would do and didn't cut the other man down. Hired the Tri Star trainee and trained him . Good honest salesman today. I tell people about the so called trick of the trade because I will always pull far more dirt after them . When I go to another area  i ask them to go behind me They hardly pull anything.

             Procare

Hello Procare:

Your post about the Lux and letting dyson go last and getting hardly anything out coincides with Severus' post.  A HOOVER up would pull more out going last than a dyson would pull out going last.  Of course, as Severus says if you stay at it long enough with a dyson EVENTUALLY a DC14 would get some more out.  Perhaps 14/15 passes.  Maybe 27/28 passes back and forth.  Maybe that's how dyson picks model numbers.  But dyson's especially the models discontinued now are equipped with wimpy brush rolls [I mean bars].  James must have had a technological innovatively lazy hour when it came to the old style dyson brush bars.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

As you know I had a DC07 and a Hoover Fusion at thr same time.  The Dyson beat it every time.  The dirt was weighed on extremely accurate pharmacy scales.

The Orecks are embarrased to put a number on all but the XL21.  It has to be run 21 times a week to get a bare minimum of dirt out of carpets.  The others have to be used so many times they chose to elkiminate the number.  XL = Xtremely Long time to vacuum.

CarmineD wrote:
A not so savy poster also once told Hoover that Dyson would never sell.  Look what it cost him.

Acerone wrote:
I'm pretty sure it was Oreck that killed the Oreck Store. Since the new INVESTORS in Oreck the have been selling product cheaply in BOX STORES, on QVC and the Oreck Company INTERNET WEB SITE does nothing for the franchisee. Years ago maybe the "Bag Sales" were enough to carry a small shop but with rents and lower margins it's no longer possible. Taking away vacuum sales and making dealers honor warranties for virtually nothing will be the undoing of Oreck. I wouldn't be surprised if the company tried to buy the stores in larger markets once they have forced their indies out.

Lucky1 wrote:

I think that you are right on Lucky.  Also,  they are beginning to show signs of "desperate for business".

They only have stores in major metropolitan areas.  WM, Kmart, BB, HH Greg and many other big box stores are so much more convenient.  Who is going to buy a vac and have to drive 50, 100 or more miles to take it back to the franchised store for service which is pretty regular.