Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I received this "teaser email today: http://links.mkt2388.com/ctt?kn=1&m=2735925&r=MTgwOTM1MTgzMTcS1&b=0&j=NzgxMTAyODMS1&mt=1&rt=0
Anyone know what's up with this??

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HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

With SEBO vacuum prices going up in the USA for consumers who want to buy/use them, SEBO speaks well of itself. 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dustmite,

I have maligned no good men - I have only maligned you.  I don't consider you to be a reliable source of information.    Sales figures for any company are closely guarded.    I don't know why you pretend to have inside information, when it is clear that your only source of information is google chrome.  

CarmineD wrote:

If I were in the market for a premium German upright, I could choose between the Sebo and Miele offerings.  Miele's new uprights start at $550 for the most basic model.   I'm not sure what the difference is between a Windsor and a Sebo, but it seems like one can get a hefty discount by going the Windsor route.  

Severus wrote:

Hi Severus, As both brands primarily sell in vac shops, negotiating price is a very strong possibility. All things considered, my conservative guesstimate is that prices as marked may be talked down as much as $125 to $150 "sticker price".

I did quite well in regard to what I landed my two Mieles a year or so ago. It being just everyone, not just the humble Joe Schmoes who dole out hard-earned money, has had to tighten their belt and make compromises, I think indie shops are equally prepared to the same -- especially now.

Venson

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Severus wrote:

Spiderman,

You’re living a fantasy if you think I won’t use your baiting and/or garbage attacks on good men, the jobs they create, and the wealth they create - as target practice.

Dyson Invents Big

CarmineD wrote:

Cameron,

Not taking ownership of your own stupidity is well...  stupid.  When you called me out, I did not much care for it.  All the top-tier owners and suits can achieve the same results as Sir James Dyson (a self-made man), but they don't and won’t.  Now, I only know one billionaire personally and know another billionaire through friends and what they tell me of him.  I know some men worth over $100m and know for a fact...  they would dispute (as does the Bible) your position of ‘less is more.’

Stay focused.

Dyson Invents Big

Hello DiB-ster:

Your focus is blurred and has been for a long time.  Dyson's propaganda and rose colored glasses has you brainwashed.  Deal with the dyson issues: 

• Dyson products fall short of the competition,
• Do damage to rugs [wonder if this is a DC28 problem? as well as DC17] 
• And is reducing prices to stay competitive, all while the euro is skyrocketing against the dollar.   
• Dyson still produces flawed products along the way [DC07 and DC14 clutch problems and DC25 ball motor wiring harness defect].  Only to discontinue the models rather than correct.

Trying over and over in the misguided hope that consumers will forgive and forget their past dyson buys that were mistakes. 

Carmine D.

Severus wrote:

Hello SEVERUS:

In fact that was the reason in part the Casino/Hotel selected the Windsor, SEBO made, over the SEBO:  Price difference.  And the application is for commercial usage, so Windsor fit the criteria perfectly.  And is CRI rated.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

Are the clutch failures on the DC07 and DC14 covered by the Best Buy and/or Sears extended warranties?   I wonder what percentage of these vacuums has experienced a clutch failure.  Given Dyson's reliability ratings in Consumer Reports, I suspect there aren't too many failures in the first 4 years.  

Dyson owners may be more forgiving than you suspect.   I can think of one Dyson owner who probably gets a chill down his leg when he see James Dyson on tv talking about his inventions.  Dyson has a dirt collection system that works fairly well.   Contrast that with the old bagless vacuum offerings that used pleated filters.  Those pleated filter vacuums lost Dyson rivals a great deal of good will with consumers.  It would have been better to not offer a bagless vacuum than to offer one that had a high maintenance dirt collection system.     Nowadays, almost everyone offers a dual cyclone bagless system that works fairly well.   However, many of these companies burned bridges with consumers by offering poorly designed filtration systems that required a significant amount of filter maintenance. 

While an informed consumer knows how Dyson compares to others in controlled test conditions, consumers have no way of knowing how much dirt is left uncollected by their vacuums.   Dyson wisely designed his dirt bins to not compress the dirt.   When a consumer compares a $400 Dyson to a $45 Bissell product from Walmart, it starts to look pretty good.   Consumers don't tend to compare that same $400 Dyson to other $400 vacuums unless they go to independent stores.

Severus wrote:

Hello SEVERUS:

Up through August 15, 2006, dyson vacuums came with a 2 year warranty.  After that, dyson offered 5 years.  BEST BUY and SEARS customers purchasing a 3 year extended service plan with their dysons will not be covered with an ESP and clutch failures if they bought before August 15, 2006 [expired August 15, 2009].  They would be covered with 4 years up thru August 15, 2010.  Even tho an ESP is purchased for 3 and/or 4 years, the first 2 years defaults to dyson for warranty coverage.  This gives only a 1 and/or 2 year extension with an ESP.  The lion's share of 2 year DC07 and DC14 purchases even with a 3 and/or 4 year ESP are out of warranty by now.  Unless they were purchased after August 15, 2006 with a 5 year dyson warranty.  If a customer is within that small window of opportunity to have a clutch covered by the ESP, the remaining warranty is still limited by the original warranty period.  No extension on the repair/part.  August 15, 2010 is the drop dead date.  Not much time left.

I agree with you.  With normal/less than normal use particularly on low carpets, dyson clutches should easily last 4 years.  The exceptions, those used more often and/or on medium pile carpets, especially those with only a 2 year dyson warranty, have been failing and out of warranty/ESP.  A dyson clutch repair easily costs $100 or more depending on dealer and parts replaced.  With an older dyson, and discontinued model to boot, consumers decline the repairs and opt for new/trade.

Also, faithful readers of Consumer Reports, as you probably know, would decline ESP coverage on their new vacuums.  CR has indoctrinated against these as money makers for the retailers. 

Carmine D.