"What has dyson invented now?" Original Message Oct 11, 2009 11:23 pm
I received this "teaser email today: http://links.mkt2388.com/ctt?kn=1&m=2735925&r=MTgwOTM1MTgzMTcS1&b=0&j=NzgxMTAyODMS1&mt=1&rt=0 Anyone know what's up with this??
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #152 Dec 3, 2009 1:16 pm
Trebor wrote:
Carmine,
The adolescents, DIB and Mole, our acting up again! Should we make them sit in opposite corners of the room?
Sir James may be in the realm of consciousness of those individuals/corporations without need to boast or prove anything to anyone. Hubris or Humility? It depends on the individual. I can think of any number of entertainers/sports stars who are very quiet outside of their public profession. Miele does not publish any figures of profit/loss either. Think they're going under? The brass "in your face", "look at me", "bow and scrape" attitude of those who suddenly acquire money is pretty much an American attitude. They have money, not wealth. There is a difference. Regardless of what you think of James Dyson's products or his prowess as an engineer, he does engage the world with grace and class.
In reflecting on the whole Dyson phenomena, I think he made one major error in judgment which led to several others:
He failed to realize at the outset that his largest markets would ultimately be the US and Canada.
This consequently led to a failure to consider 1) how much more carpet Americans have in their homes 2) How hard Americans are on their vacuums and 3) insufficient prototype testing by American consumers.
He had the success in front of him with the original Fantom. Place the multi-cyclonic bin on the Fantom carpet head, use a larger diameter hose and wand assembly, and bigger wheels. Viola! The first Fantoms were very good vacuums. Lots of them still running today. More complex is not always better. The concession to a manual carpet height adjustment would have saved a lot of Rube Goldberg engineering.
Peace,
Trebor
Trebor,
Indeed Mr. Dyson is a humble man, that’s why I enjoyed running some offense. I might add, Sir James is a Billionaire and the suits owning or heading the older-more established, much bigger-wealthier vacuum corporations...are not.
Of Fantom... Rube Goldberg? The floating nozzle is a great consumer friendly setup and a great way of insuring the Dyson masses fill their clear bins.
James Dyson was a [nearly broke, nearly defeated] inventor-licensor not an owner in IONA. Per Sir James autobiography, IONA took advantage of an already dire situation and man (the Amway lawsuit - their thieving James Dyson’s inventions) and renegotiated James Dyson’s royalties to a lower rate. This small time inventor was nearly destroyed (as an inventor and man) by giants. I know making a difference (making life better via inventions or promoting inventiveness) has little meaning to many of the Dyson competitor suits, but I am fully aware these men appreciate money and chasing after as much money [for themselves] as possible. - Again, Sir James is the self-made Billionaire and they are not. And yes! - I like saying it and reminding the suits and supporters of these suits just who is who.
DIB
This message was modified Dec 3, 2009 by DysonInventsBig
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #153 Dec 3, 2009 1:47 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Trebor,
Indeed Mr. Dyson is a humble man, that’s why I enjoyed running some offense. I might add, Sir James is a Billionaire and the suits owning or heading the older-more established, much bigger-wealthier vacuum corporations...are not.
Of Fantom... Rube Goldberg? The floating nozzle is a great consumer friendly setup and a great way of insuring the Dyson masses fill their clear bins.
James Dyson was a [nearly broke, nearly defeated] inventor-licensor not an owner in IONA. Per Sir James autobiography, IONA took advantage of an already dire situation and man (the Amway lawsuit - their thieving James Dyson’s inventions) and renegotiated James Dyson’s royalties to a lower rate. This small time inventor was nearly destroyed (as an inventor and man) by giants. I know making a difference (making life better via inventions or promoting inventiveness) has little meaning to many of the Dyson competitor suits, but I am fully aware these men appreciate money and chasing after as much money [for themselves] as possible. - Again, Sir James is the self-made Billionaire and they are not. And yes! - I like saying it and reminding the suits and supporters of these suits just who is who.
DIB
Hello DiB:
I disagree with your statement that Sir James is a billionaire. According to the latest article that you posted here about dyson and Sir James, his wealth status has been downgraded in 2009 to multi-millionaire, not billionaire as you write.
As I pointed out, Forbes rated Sir James at $2 Billion in 2006, $1.6 Billion in 2007, and $1 Billion in 2008. We'll have to wait to see what Forbes says in March 2010 for Sir James in 2009. Typically the magazine rates and ranks billionaires only. But, based on Forbes richest Americans published in October 2009, Forbes was forced to lower the bar to $997 Million.
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #154 Dec 3, 2009 2:41 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello DiB:
I disagree with your statement that Sir James is a billionaire. According to the latest article that you posted here about dyson and Sir James, his wealth status has been downgraded in 2009 to multi-millionaire, not billionaire as you write.
As I pointed out, Forbes rated Sir James at $2 Billion in 2006, $1.6 Billion in 2007, and $1 Billion in 2008. We'll have to wait to see what Forbes says in March 2010 for Sir James in 2009. Typically the magazine rates and ranks billionaires only. But, based on Forbes richest Americans published in October 2009, Forbes was forced to lower the bar to $997 Million.
Carmine D.
Carmine,
I doubt his net worth is less than $1b. Whatever his net worth is, no doubt he is the richest.
Note: I always play the 'Who's the self-made and/or richest card' when I see Sir James getting a work-over on here. Units sold, market size, etc., are meaningless by men who measure themselves by their net worth. - Which most suits and owners do.
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #155 Dec 3, 2009 4:34 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Carmine,
I doubt his net worth is less than $1b. Whatever his net worth is, no doubt he is the richest.
Note: I always play the 'Who's the self-made and/or richest card' when I see Sir James getting a work-over on here. Units sold, market size, etc., are meaningless by men who measure themselves by their net worth. - Which most suits and owners do.
DIB
And that DiB is called an opinion, not a fact, and you are entitled to have one.
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #156 Dec 3, 2009 8:51 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Carmine,
I doubt his net worth is less than $1b. Whatever his net worth is, no doubt he is the richest.
Note: I always play the 'Who's the self-made and/or richest card' when I see Sir James getting a work-over on here. Units sold, market size, etc., are meaningless by men who measure themselves by their net worth. - Which most suits and owners do.
DIB
CarmineD wrote:
And that DiB is called an opinion, not a fact, and you are entitled to have one.
Carmine D.
Prove it out - Name bigger names, name bigger worth.
DIB
This message was modified Dec 4, 2009 by DysonInventsBig
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #157 Dec 3, 2009 8:55 pm
DIB,
I did not realize the IONA lease/royalty was connected to the Amway.
Nonetheless, the early Fantoms were/are great vacuums. And I stand by my statement that a manual height adjustment on the Dyson would not have been a terrible thing, and it would have blessed the machine with a level of mechanical simplicity it lacks today. I visited another of my vac shop friends who recently moved his shop. ( I am loaning him my expertise in space planning) As I was leaving, I heard him say to a tech on the bench, "It's not a brush motor on that DC25. They don't go bad. You have to open up the dirt tube. There is a circuit board inside. It's in the wiring connection." DIB, surely I heard wrong. Why would anyone place any sort of electrical connection in the dirt path?
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #158 Dec 4, 2009 7:22 am
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Prove it out - Name bigger names, name bigger worth.
DIB
DiB:
Interestingly, you post a recent article here saying your idol is a multi-millionaire. Then, proceed to call him a billionaire. When I call you on the glaring contradiction, you dispute the article's credibilty with your own opinion. Then, ask me to prove that the article, which you posted here, is true and your opinion is not. Typical of for your thinking and dyson mindset.
As I and others have told you many times when you play the Sir James wealth card, it is disingenous. Wealth/money, call it what you will, is not a measure of accomplishment in business. Success in business is a marathon not a sprint. What is more poignant to me [and others] is that Sir James' wealth is declining. Using your success measure [wealth/money] means dyson's success is declining.
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #159 Dec 4, 2009 7:26 am
Trebor wrote:
DIB,
I did not realize the IONA lease/royalty was connected to the Amway.
Nonetheless, the early Fantoms were/are great vacuums. And I stand by my statement that a manual height adjustment on the Dyson would not have been a terrible thing, and it would have blessed the machine with a level of mechanical simplicity it lacks today. I visited another of my vac shop friends who recently moved his shop. ( I am loaning him my expertise in space planning) As I was leaving, I heard him say to a tech on the bench, "It's not a brush motor on that DC25. They don't go bad. You have to open up the dirt tube. There is a circuit board inside. It's in the wiring connection." DIB, surely I heard wrong. Why would anyone place any sort of electrical connection in the dirt path?
Trebor
Hi Tebor:
I posted here about a defect in dyson's DC25 with the motor harness wiring. Typically it fails with months of operation. The news was reported to me by 'the" authorized dyson dealer here in North Las Vegas. The dealer no longer sells the model. And refuses to do so until the problem is corrected.
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #160 Dec 4, 2009 7:35 am
Kudos to MOLE, and others here who agreed with him, who first noted the potential for problems with the vacuum motor located in the dyson ball. They were right on. Maybe they should be the billionares?
Re: "What has dyson invented now?" Reply #161 Dec 4, 2009 1:17 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Prove it out - Name bigger names, name bigger worth.
DIB
CarmineD wrote:
DiB:
Interestingly, you post a recent article here saying your idol is a multi-millionaire. Then, proceed to call him a billionaire. When I call you on the glaring contradiction, you dispute the article's credibilty with your own opinion. Then, ask me to prove that the article, which you posted here, is true and your opinion is not. Typical of for your thinking and dyson mindset.
As I and others have told you many times when you play the Sir James wealth card, it is disingenous. Wealth/money, call it what you will, is not a measure of accomplishment in business. Success in business is a marathon not a sprint. What is more poignant to me [and others] is that Sir James' wealth is declining. Using your success measure [wealth/money] means dyson's success is declining.
Carmine D.
Cameron,
Playing the wealth card is a quick and efficient way to sort out who’s doin what.When Sir James is lied of, bad-mouthed, robbed, and copied - playing the wealth card has a certain satisfaction and illuminates the losers, has-beens, never-were’s, wantabe’s, lying manufacturers, their no inventive talent engineers, lazy marketing staff, etc.Did I leave anyone out….Oh yeah the angry at Dyson because I live in the UK and I can’t get a job and the always jealous.
He’s the richest vac inventor, owner-operator. Calling me out and saying it’s my opinion and not demonstrating others bigger or wealthier makes you more and more less credible and inept.Belly up Mr. 55 years of bad-as vac knowledge and history…prove your theory… prove my statements as being an opinion and not based in [available] facts.Start with…who’s richer.I can care less if he’s worth $700m or $2b.He destroys them all (all suits and owners) even at $700m.
DIB
This message was modified Dec 4, 2009 by DysonInventsBig
