Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I received this "teaser email today: http://links.mkt2388.com/ctt?kn=1&m=2735925&r=MTgwOTM1MTgzMTcS1&b=0&j=NzgxMTAyODMS1&mt=1&rt=0
Anyone know what's up with this??

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DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

Like it or not, and regardless of your ill-will and words toward dyson's competition, dyson's pricing is killing it with the competition.  At half the price and even less, not just on vacuums but dyson's other product ventures, dyson can't compete in the market place, except as a very small niche player.  This is not enough to sustain a company like dyson that wants to be on the forefront of technology with household products.  Dyson needs big sales to keep the dyson infra-structure going.  You don't like to hear that reality but such is the essence of product development and sales in today's world.  Only the strong survive, not the technologically/marketing skilled.  Remember halo.

Carmine D.

Carmine,

The adolescents, DIB and Mole, our acting up again!  Should we make them sit in opposite corners of the room?

Sir James may be in the realm of consciousness of those individuals/corporations without need to boast or prove anything to anyone. Hubris or Humility? It depends on the individual.  I can think of any number of entertainers/sports stars who are very quiet outside of their public profession. Miele does not publish any figures of profit/loss either. Think they're going under?  The brass "in your face", "look at me", "bow and scrape" attitude of those who suddenly acquire money is pretty much an American attitude.  They have money, not wealth. There is a difference.  Regardless of what you think of James Dyson's products or his prowess as an engineer, he does engage the world with grace and class.

In reflecting on the whole Dyson phenomena,  I think he made one major error in judgment which led to several others:

He failed to realize at the outset that his largest markets would ultimately be the US and Canada.

This consequently led to a failure to consider 1) how much more carpet Americans have in their homes 2) How hard Americans are on their vacuums and 3) insufficient prototype testing by American consumers.

He had the success in front of him with the original Fantom. Place the multi-cyclonic bin on the Fantom carpet head, use a larger diameter hose and wand assembly, and bigger wheels. Viola! The first Fantoms were very good vacuums. Lots of them still running today. More complex is not always better. The concession to a manual carpet height adjustment would have saved a lot of Rube Goldberg engineering.

Peace,

Trebor

Trebor wrote:

Hello Trebor:

WRT MIELE, if you view the MIELE video on its web site the narrative states that over 1 MILLION vacuum units were shipped from the German plant last year.  This does not count the outsourced MIELE models of course that are sold in various markets.  At least for vacuums, with one million units made and shipped from Germany last year, that's a perspective on how well its vacuums are doing globally, in a recession global market.

Also, I am taking the liberty of posting a link right from MIELE's web site under the heading Facts & Figures which gives financial data for all years from 2000-2008.  Enjoy.

http://www.mieleusa.com/about_miele/about_miele.asp?nav=1&snav=3&tnav=3&oT=202&benefit=92

Note too that the banner at the top of this site is the MIELE S7 line.

Carmine D.

Trebor wrote: Trebor,

Indeed Mr. Dyson is a humble man, that’s why I enjoyed running some offense.  I might add, Sir James is a Billionaire and the suits owning or heading the older-more established, much bigger-wealthier vacuum corporations...are not.

Of Fantom...
Rube Goldberg?  The floating nozzle is a great consumer friendly setup and a great way of insuring the Dyson masses fill their clear bins. 

James Dyson was a [nearly broke, nearly defeated] inventor-licensor not an owner in IONA.  Per Sir James autobiography, IONA took advantage of an already dire situation and man (the Amway lawsuit - their thieving James Dyson’s inventions) and renegotiated James Dyson’s royalties to a lower rate.  This small time inventor was nearly destroyed (as an inventor and man) by giants.  I know making a difference (making life better via inventions or promoting inventiveness) has little meaning to many of the Dyson competitor suits, but I am fully aware these men appreciate money and chasing after as much money [for themselves] as possible. - Again, Sir James is the self-made Billionaire and they are not.  And yes! - I like saying it and reminding the suits and supporters of these suits just who is who.


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DiB:

I disagree with your statement that Sir James is a billionaire.  According to the latest article that you posted here about dyson and Sir James, his wealth status has been downgraded in 2009 to multi-millionaire, not billionaire as you write.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-business/article-23765305-dysons-pay-cut-in-profits-slip.do

As I pointed out, Forbes rated Sir James at $2 Billion in 2006, $1.6 Billion in 2007, and $1 Billion in 2008.  We'll have to wait to see what Forbes says in March 2010 for Sir James in 2009.   Typically the magazine rates and ranks billionaires only.  But, based on Forbes richest Americans published in October 2009, Forbes was forced to lower the bar to $997 Million.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

I doubt his net worth is less than $1b.  Whatever his net worth is, no doubt he is the richest.

Note:  I always play the 'Who's the self-made and/or richest card' when I see Sir James getting a work-over on here.  Units sold, market size, etc., are meaningless by men who measure themselves by their net worth. - Which most suits and owners do.


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

And that DiB is called an opinion, not a fact, and you are entitled to have one.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
CarmineD wrote:
Prove it out - Name bigger names, name bigger worth.

DIB

DIB,

I did not realize the IONA lease/royalty was connected to the Amway.

Nonetheless, the early Fantoms were/are great vacuums.  And I stand by my statement that a manual height adjustment on the Dyson would not have been a terrible thing, and it would have blessed the machine with a level of mechanical simplicity it lacks today.   I visited another of my vac shop friends who recently moved his shop. ( I am loaning him my expertise in space planning)   As I was leaving, I heard him say to a tech on the bench, "It's not a brush motor on that DC25. They don't go bad. You have to open up the dirt tube. There is a circuit board inside. It's in the wiring connection."   DIB, surely I heard wrong.  Why would anyone place any sort of electrical connection in the dirt path?

Trebor

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DiB:

Interestingly, you post a recent article here saying your idol is a multi-millionaire.  Then, proceed to call him a billionaire.  When I call you on the glaring contradiction, you dispute the article's credibilty with your own opinion.  Then, ask me to prove that the article, which you posted here, is true and your opinion is not.  Typical of for your thinking and dyson mindset. 

As I and others have told you many times when you play the Sir James wealth card, it is disingenous.  Wealth/money, call it what you will, is not a measure of accomplishment in business.  Success in business is a marathon not a sprint.  What is more poignant to me [and others] is that Sir James' wealth is declining.  Using your success measure [wealth/money] means dyson's success is declining. 

Carmine D.