Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Seen the new VAX line of bagless yet? better quality and performance?...at a far lower price.

Some say its stolen Dyson tech...some say its VAX xposing Dyson as a rip off [over priced] over hyped vacuum......that dyson is slipping[sinking brand]...that a dyson can be had at a fraction of the cost and with a warranty thats actually useable.......solved all the dyson flaws.....without the dyson shaft at the register. That VAX has zeroed in on dyson and plans to come at him head on.  If this is true ..then some drastic changes are due at dyson ....and another dyson [im a victim] lawsuit will come.......as always.

turtle1

HS:

If I read this topic correctly, VAX, owned by TTI which owns HOOVER, is introing a new line of bagless vacuums that compete directly with dyson at the big box rip off stores and are considerably less expensive.  Explain to me please how this is a problem[s] for VAX, HOOVER, TTI, rather than dyson?  As I see it and said it, VAX is reentering the bagless market with new products because it sees an opportunity among disgruntled big box retailer and customers with dysons.  Why?  It hears a dirge playing for dyson.

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:

Hoover tried for years to emulate Dyson.  VAX tried and failed.  They were not a problem for Dyson at the time.  You predicted both would be the doom of Dyson.  Neither you nor I know what the future holds for any of these.

Now they are trying to unseat Dyson with bagless machines. not bagged.  Please explaine who is emulating who in this scenario.

How are sales for the Hoover Z and Fusion?

HS:

Your lips are flapping while your feet are shuffling but the pay toilet is locked and occupied.  Dyson's problems are of its own making.  Period, end of story.  VAX sees an opportunity, hears the dyson dirge playing, knows the big box retailers' rap on dyson sales, and is going for the dyson jugular.   Many buyers/users of both VAX and dyson prefer VAX and always have over dyson.    To each his/her own.  May the best product for the price win. 

Carmine D.

Hi guys,

I'm at a loss here. Which Vax machines are we talking about? I checked out the American Vax site but found nothing new, just the same machine they produced for several years.

Is the new line composed of models already on market in Europe? Check out the following link:


http://www.vax.co.uk/shop/catalogue/upright-vacuum-cleaners/mach-upright

Venson

Hi,

Also check out the "30th Anniversary Range" link at the UK website.

Venson

CarmineD wrote:

Yes.  However, more users prefer Dyson as evidenced by Dyson pushing Hoover into bankruptcy and pushing VAX out of BB.

You may also be interested to know that many users prefer Dyson over Oreck.

HS:

Your facts like you are skewed.  HOOVER and VAX are not bankrupt nor ever were.  They were both bought in arms length above board business transactions by TTI.  Why?  Save that for another discussion at another time. 

The issue here, as I see and said it, is not who likes which brand better and why.  I'm sure many current buyers and users enjoy their dysons and if they could would probably buy another.  Except of course you.  You liked your DC07 so much you sold it and didn't buy another new dyson.  Why?  You told us you don't like any dysons as much as a DC07.  Others here like you have said dysons are no better than any other bagless brands and not worth the higher prices.  Dyson has cheapened them and charged more.  [You went to a bagged instead.  Go figure.]  I'm sure there are lots of vacuum users and buyers like you and others who bought and used dysons and returned them for other bagless brands.  Or want to upgrade their dysons after 5-6-7 years but don't want to pay the higher dyson prices now vice when they bought.  These are the customers that VAX is targeting at the the big box rip off retailers.  

Now, research VAX refurbs on the internet and let me know what you find, if anything. 

VAX/TTI is on to something with their above strategy and that's dyson's jugular. 

Carmine D.

Hi Venson:

Rumors are circulating in the vacuum industry that VAX has enjoyed such huge success in the UK [dyson country] despite the economic malaise that TTI wants to add a new bagless VAX line in the USA.  The questions you raise are valid.  The answers are that we have to wait and see when and what comes out.  I have to think that based on the mediocre rug ratings VAX 3 and VAX 5 received several years ago in the USA that TTI will opt for a more USA rug/carpet suitable brush roll than the EURO.  And of course at less expensive prices than dyson.

Carmine D.

Venson wrote:
Howdy big V, i looked at the uk link.

Cant make heads or tails out of these,look like old hoover machs to me.The old vax's were old bosch siemens pieces that were sold at the box stores in the states.What a huge mistake that was.Although the girls in the advertising were not bad looking.

regards

MOLE

mole wrote:

Hello MOLE:

As you know TTI produced the FUSION and FUSION plus for HOOVER and the big box stores even before TTI bought HOOVER.  These were huge selling successes primarily due to their prices.  These along with the Mach's that superceded and the current line of VAX cleaners in the UK all share the same look.  The VAX name, history and past bagless products, including association with bosch/siemens, adds competitive clout and interest to a new bagless VAX product line in the USA market.  Again, primarily targeting big box retailers where customers are growing weary of dysons.  But never know, maybe indy models too, especially if the female models come with.

Carmine D.