Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Seen the new VAX line of bagless yet? better quality and performance?...at a far lower price.

Some say its stolen Dyson tech...some say its VAX xposing Dyson as a rip off [over priced] over hyped vacuum......that dyson is slipping[sinking brand]...that a dyson can be had at a fraction of the cost and with a warranty thats actually useable.......solved all the dyson flaws.....without the dyson shaft at the register. That VAX has zeroed in on dyson and plans to come at him head on.  If this is true ..then some drastic changes are due at dyson ....and another dyson [im a victim] lawsuit will come.......as always.

turtle1

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine, I am not blaming anyone but Dyson for its failure.  Now go back and look at all the excuses that you made when Hoover failed.  Hoover had more opportunity than Dyson to follow those same good business actions.  A century of experience, made in the USA, name was a legend.  Greed and stupidity at the top ruins the best of them. 

Did you ever think that we would be that close in our opinions?

HS:

I've said many times here that HOOVER's decision to kow tow to the big box rip off stores in the 1960's at the expense of the indies, was it's downfall.  Took almost 4 decades for the truth that I spoke way back then to come to full fruition.  That said it doesn't take away from the fact that HOOVER is and always will be the gold standard for rug cleaning and grooming. 

Dyson has it's own long list of problems.  The least of which is trying to emulate HOOVER.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Actually Hoover and most everyone else has tried to emulate Dyson.  The list of Hoover problems may exceed Dyson's.

HS:

If I read this topic correctly, VAX, owned by TTI which owns HOOVER, is introing a new line of bagless vacuums that compete directly with dyson at the big box rip off stores and are considerably less expensive.  Explain to me please how this is a problem[s] for VAX, HOOVER, TTI, rather than dyson?  As I see it and said it, VAX is reentering the bagless market with new products because it sees an opportunity among disgruntled big box retailer and customers with dysons.  Why?  It hears a dirge playing for dyson.

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:

Hoover tried for years to emulate Dyson.  VAX tried and failed.  They were not a problem for Dyson at the time.  You predicted both would be the doom of Dyson.  Neither you nor I know what the future holds for any of these.

Now they are trying to unseat Dyson with bagless machines. not bagged.  Please explaine who is emulating who in this scenario.

How are sales for the Hoover Z and Fusion?

HS:

Your lips are flapping while your feet are shuffling but the pay toilet is locked and occupied.  Dyson's problems are of its own making.  Period, end of story.  VAX sees an opportunity, hears the dyson dirge playing, knows the big box retailers' rap on dyson sales, and is going for the dyson jugular.   Many buyers/users of both VAX and dyson prefer VAX and always have over dyson.    To each his/her own.  May the best product for the price win. 

Carmine D.

Hi guys,

I'm at a loss here. Which Vax machines are we talking about? I checked out the American Vax site but found nothing new, just the same machine they produced for several years.

Is the new line composed of models already on market in Europe? Check out the following link:


http://www.vax.co.uk/shop/catalogue/upright-vacuum-cleaners/mach-upright

Venson

Hi,

Also check out the "30th Anniversary Range" link at the UK website.

Venson

CarmineD wrote:

Yes.  However, more users prefer Dyson as evidenced by Dyson pushing Hoover into bankruptcy and pushing VAX out of BB.

You may also be interested to know that many users prefer Dyson over Oreck.

HS:

Your facts like you are skewed.  HOOVER and VAX are not bankrupt nor ever were.  They were both bought in arms length above board business transactions by TTI.  Why?  Save that for another discussion at another time. 

The issue here, as I see and said it, is not who likes which brand better and why.  I'm sure many current buyers and users enjoy their dysons and if they could would probably buy another.  Except of course you.  You liked your DC07 so much you sold it and didn't buy another new dyson.  Why?  You told us you don't like any dysons as much as a DC07.  Others here like you have said dysons are no better than any other bagless brands and not worth the higher prices.  Dyson has cheapened them and charged more.  [You went to a bagged instead.  Go figure.]  I'm sure there are lots of vacuum users and buyers like you and others who bought and used dysons and returned them for other bagless brands.  Or want to upgrade their dysons after 5-6-7 years but don't want to pay the higher dyson prices now vice when they bought.  These are the customers that VAX is targeting at the the big box rip off retailers.  

Now, research VAX refurbs on the internet and let me know what you find, if anything. 

VAX/TTI is on to something with their above strategy and that's dyson's jugular. 

Carmine D.