Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Seen the new VAX line of bagless yet? better quality and performance?...at a far lower price.

Some say its stolen Dyson tech...some say its VAX xposing Dyson as a rip off [over priced] over hyped vacuum......that dyson is slipping[sinking brand]...that a dyson can be had at a fraction of the cost and with a warranty thats actually useable.......solved all the dyson flaws.....without the dyson shaft at the register. That VAX has zeroed in on dyson and plans to come at him head on.  If this is true ..then some drastic changes are due at dyson ....and another dyson [im a victim] lawsuit will come.......as always.

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HS:

More back peddling with the pay toilet shuffle.  VAX, as in TTI owned, as in owner of HOOVER, is re-entering the bagless vacuum market now because VAX hears the dirge music.    You thought the sounds of the music were celebratory.   You were right.  It is party time for HOOVER and VAX.  The dyson party times are over.  BTW, that's not my line.  And I wasn't the first to use it.  MOLE gets the kudos not me.  

Carmine D.

Well the Mole is talking through a hole in their backside

It doesn't matter what Dyson do in the U.S The fact of the matter is, just because something is "best selling," doesnt mean its the best all rounder. No point in arguing who is cheaper than Dyson because we all know and its due to TTi. However if I was to choose a bagless cyclonic I'd still go with Dyson and that's simply because of the fact that I know I won't have to clean the filter every 3/6 months and that the tools are up to the job plastic PVC or not. Dyson tools are legendary in being slightly better designed than most of the TTi copied stuff

CarmineD wrote:

Hoover's pinada was busted (by Dyson) and the party is over.  VAX disappeared after all your bragging how it was taking over at BB.

Could it be that TTI will have to buy Oreck and salvage their name also?  Heck, they may be able to get it to clean carpets.

HS:

I see the point you are making while you are doing the pay toilet shuffle.  It's okay in your opinion for dyson to go belly up because it's following the HOOVER example.  I don't buy into your song and dance routine.  Dyson should follow the examples of good business actions and companies in the industry, not bad.  If it doesn't know the difference, then it's dyson sales and business that suffer, not the competition.  There's no one else to blame and point to except dyson.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine, I am not blaming anyone but Dyson for its failure.  Now go back and look at all the excuses that you made when Hoover failed.  Hoover had more opportunity than Dyson to follow those same good business actions.  A century of experience, made in the USA, name was a legend.  Greed and stupidity at the top ruins the best of them. 

Did you ever think that we would be that close in our opinions?

HS:

I've said many times here that HOOVER's decision to kow tow to the big box rip off stores in the 1960's at the expense of the indies, was it's downfall.  Took almost 4 decades for the truth that I spoke way back then to come to full fruition.  That said it doesn't take away from the fact that HOOVER is and always will be the gold standard for rug cleaning and grooming. 

Dyson has it's own long list of problems.  The least of which is trying to emulate HOOVER.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Actually Hoover and most everyone else has tried to emulate Dyson.  The list of Hoover problems may exceed Dyson's.

HS:

If I read this topic correctly, VAX, owned by TTI which owns HOOVER, is introing a new line of bagless vacuums that compete directly with dyson at the big box rip off stores and are considerably less expensive.  Explain to me please how this is a problem[s] for VAX, HOOVER, TTI, rather than dyson?  As I see it and said it, VAX is reentering the bagless market with new products because it sees an opportunity among disgruntled big box retailer and customers with dysons.  Why?  It hears a dirge playing for dyson.

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:

Hoover tried for years to emulate Dyson.  VAX tried and failed.  They were not a problem for Dyson at the time.  You predicted both would be the doom of Dyson.  Neither you nor I know what the future holds for any of these.

Now they are trying to unseat Dyson with bagless machines. not bagged.  Please explaine who is emulating who in this scenario.

How are sales for the Hoover Z and Fusion?

HS:

Your lips are flapping while your feet are shuffling but the pay toilet is locked and occupied.  Dyson's problems are of its own making.  Period, end of story.  VAX sees an opportunity, hears the dyson dirge playing, knows the big box retailers' rap on dyson sales, and is going for the dyson jugular.   Many buyers/users of both VAX and dyson prefer VAX and always have over dyson.    To each his/her own.  May the best product for the price win. 

Carmine D.