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Acerone
 
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Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Original Message Sep 11, 2009 6:17 pm |
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retardturtle1
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Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #62 Sep 19, 2009 1:53 am |
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Hello 'turtle1' After 37 years of marriage, my dear Wife doesn't have to tell me when to take out trash. By the way, you may want to take out that fake lady and dyson with the trash. When you get to W*M take note of what handhelds it stocks and sells. Let us know please if dyson is there for sale. I'm thinking not. Carmine D.
HI CARMINE
Nope.....no dyson handvacs and no empty space where it could or would be.. i asked the lady working in the dept. about the dyson and b&d handvacs ...she didnt know they made handvacs,,so i thanked her and moved on. ,,Sorry for the delayed response..we decided to get away for a week or so and head out to the coast for some r&r.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #63 Sep 19, 2009 7:23 am |
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Thanks 'turtle1' Glad to hear you and your Wife got away for some R&R. My dear Wife too is back east with her Mom. I had to stay behind with the 4 legged furry friend. W*M and other big box rip off stores don't carry dyson's DC16 and probably won't carry DC30/31. Perhaps internet sales? Why? Too expensive. Not worth the money. Too limited in customer interest and appeal. Dyson messed up the marketing with this product. Not surprising. Tho the product really has limited use and lackluster performance. Dyson has an uphill climb to convince buyers of a DC16 to trade up to a newer one at $220-$270. The new one does what the old should have for the money and includes an carbon brush exhaust free motor. It's a handheld. How much carbon brush exhaust is emitted? Dyson has a knack for taking an irrelevant feature and talking it up with hype. Allowed him to charge exorbitant prices for the worthless features. I mentioned on another thread Sam's is gifting a DC 16 with purchase of a DC27 for $479. Dyson bundles the two specifically for the Sam's promotion. I'm not convinced gifting an overpriced toy dyson handheld with a $479 dyson sale with improve sales of this model at Sam's. By Christmas season these dysons will be on discount/clearance for $100 off [at least] with the toy hand held included too. Carmine D. |
DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #64 Sep 19, 2009 11:34 am |
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Hello Vacmanuk: Did you keep/return the DC16? Carmine D.
Lordy NO, I couldn't stand the noise and ended up giving it to the local high school who used it for a period in their wood work classes. It didn't last very long having to suck up fine wood dust I'm told! VacmanUK, just how would Dyson decrease the sound without decreasing suction and withoug increasing weight, size, and costs? The sound is in relation to much air being moved (the vac's doing a great job moving air/suctioning and doing it better than all cordless handhelds in its class). You’re preference for quieter cordless handhelds comes at a price… weaker suction when new and weakening suction as it is being used (it's clogging). Can you guarantee or state this DC16 was properly used and maintained (per the Dyson manual)? How many of these students do you think read the manual or were told what the manual said? Did you personally read the manual to the students or insist the shop teacher did? Vacuuming and more importantly... filtering the "fine wood dust" is a non-issue with this vacuum. It will devour and gladly filter "fine wood dust," all day-every day and do it without loosing any suction strength (as long as it is used and maintained properly - per manual). DIB
This message was modified Sep 19, 2009 by DysonInventsBig
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #65 Sep 19, 2009 12:27 pm |
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Thanks 'turtle1' Glad to hear you and your Wife got away for some R&R. My dear Wife too is back east with her Mom. I had to stay behind with the 4 legged furry friend. W*M and other big box rip off stores don't carry dyson's DC16 and probably won't carry DC30/31. Perhaps internet sales? Why? Too expensive. Not worth the money. Too limited in customer interest and appeal. Dyson messed up the marketing with this product. Not surprising. Tho the product really has limited use and lackluster performance. Dyson has an uphill climb to convince buyers of a DC16 to trade up to a newer one at $220-$270. The new one does what the old should have for the money and includes an carbon brush exhaust free motor. It's a handheld. How much carbon brush exhaust is emitted? Dyson has a knack for taking an irrelevant feature and talking it up with hype. Allowed him to charge exorbitant prices for the worthless features. I mentioned on another thread Sam's is gifting a DC 16 with purchase of a DC27 for $479. Dyson bundles the two specifically for the Sam's promotion. I'm not convinced gifting an overpriced toy dyson handheld with a $479 dyson sale with improve sales of this model at Sam's. By Christmas season these dysons will be on discount/clearance for $100 off [at least] with the toy hand held included too. Carmine D. Carmine, I’m embarrassed for you… the entire world is in a recession and struggling. Can’t you think of anything smart to say? Bundling and lowering prices is worldwide. Saying something smart would help your lack of credibility, especially after defending Venson’s dual persona deception (him pretending to be Severus). Did you notice a sudden drop off of posts after this came out? You and others need to decide… defend Venson’s bizarre behavior or build/keep this forum going. This forum could easily die-on-the-vine. And if you don't believe me then watch, and watch it die. DIB
This message was modified Sep 19, 2009 by DysonInventsBig
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #66 Sep 19, 2009 1:50 pm |
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Carmine,
I’m embarrassed for you… the entire world is in a recession and struggling. Can’t you think of anything smart to say? Bundling and lowering prices is worldwide. Saying something smart would help your lack of credibility, especially after defending Venson’s dual persona deception (him pretending to be Severus). Did you notice a sudden drop off of posts after this came out? You and/others need to decide… defend Venson’s bizarre behavior or build/keep this forum going. This forum could easily die-on-the-vine. And if you don't believe me, then watch and watch it die.
DIB
DIB:
I'm amazed. I actually agree with something you say: The entire world is in a recession and struggling. All the rest of what you posted is a waste of time reading. Especially the part I highlighted. You have no grasp of vacuums, the vacuum industry, floorcare products, and the people who buy and sell them but you are predicting the demise of this vacuum Forum. Do you have a date for this sad event or just keeping your prediction open ended? Carmine D.
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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
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Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #68 Sep 20, 2009 12:42 am |
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Carmine,
I’m embarrassed for you… the entire world is in a recession and struggling. Can’t you think of anything smart to say? Bundling and lowering prices is worldwide. Saying something smart would help your lack of credibility, especially after defending Venson’s dual persona deception (him pretending to be Severus). Did you notice a sudden drop off of posts after this came out? You and others need to decide… defend Venson’s bizarre behavior or build/keep this forum going. This forum could easily die-on-the-vine. And if you don't believe me then watch, and watch it die.
DIB DIB, Please provide the proof that you promised about my being Venson - or was it your other personality that was going to provide proof? I have to admit that I thought briefly about using the username "DysonStinks" as a response to your name. But I really don't dislike Dyson. I believe any drop off in posts corresponded to the start of football season, or perhaps the lack of a full moon. Does Dyson ask you to track the number of posts on this forum each day?
The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable. The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking.
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Venson
Joined: Jul 23, 2007
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Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #70 Sep 20, 2009 12:44 pm |
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By the way guys we already seem to have the instruction manual for the Dustbuster Flexi PD1200, the user manual can be downloaded here:<BR><BR>http://service.blackanddecker.co.uk/PDMSDocuments/EU/Docs//docpdf/pd1200%20pd1080_uk.pdf<BR><BR>Specs for this model (according to the website) are:<BR><BR>AIR WATTS 25WATT<BR>CAPACITY 0.500Litres<BR>CHARGE TIME 16HOURS<BR>VOLTAGE 12VOLT<BR><BR>If this is true then sadly it won't be a direct rival for the Dyson DC16 which has a stronger battery for a start! However I'd still be interested in this product as it is a darn sight smaller and more compact.
The proof is the pudding . . . Despite Dyson's good performance in one test, the Popular Mechanics video I posted satisfied me by way of good performance and price B&D excelled. I would not spend the kind of money that Dyson is asking for a rechargeable hand-held vac. The new B&D Flexi is even stronger than the Flex Vac model tested but it has yet to be shown how much power will or won't be lost in the translation due to the hose add-on. Even that considered, an $80 rechargeable vac is far more attractive to shoppers than machines running at 150 bucks and up. Venson
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #71 Sep 20, 2009 1:39 pm |
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Hello Vacmanuk, Venson et al. The airwatts and charge times are just part of the features for comparison of the B&D Flex [$65-$80] and dyson's handhelds [$150-$270]. The key to comparison of these products are the uses that they will serve for their owners. In that respect they are product rivals and rightly so. Having said that, perhaps there is more appreciation for the issues that Consumer Reports faces in rating and ranking handhelds objectively for consumer review and research. Carmine D.
This message was modified Sep 20, 2009 by CarmineD
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