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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #59 Sep 3, 2009 1:40 pm |
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HS/DIB: I'm not critiquing the pros and cons of the HOOVER bagged. I personally used it and was not impressed with its performance on low level carpets. It does not have a rug height adjustment. Nor does ORECK. But ORECK beats HOOVER on low carpets. HOOVER beats ORECK on high. So there's a trade off with both in comparison. Now, my real point is don't be sore loser. HOOVER probably has more vacuum products in the latest CR ranks and ratings that are CR praiseworthy than any other brand in history, period. If nothing else, give credit where its due. And HOOVER earns it. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293
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Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #61 Sep 3, 2009 9:30 pm |
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HS: ORECK's have to be used daily/almost daily for the most efficiency and effectiveness as a standalone upright. That's their forte. Quick and easy to pull out and use often. That's why they are used in hotels and motels! If you don't use ORECK's daily, then plan to have a full size deep cleaner like a HOOVER for your weekly vacuuming. Especially with medium to high pile carpets. And use your ORECK for the high traffic areas and/or ad hoc clean ups in between the weekly HOOVER vacuuming. I'm almost positive I've said that many times here before. I know you don't read and comprehend very well: Ref: Your misunderstanding of BEST BUY ESP and product replacements. WRT trickery, if telling the truth is your view of trickery, then you are absolutely right. No maybe's about it. Carmine D. I am just as positive that I have said that your requirements are different from mine. I do not vacuum daily. Most of the time we go barefoot leaving shoes at the door. I have no furry pets. We do have some fish but they are confined to the aquarium. I no longer drive daily. When I do I want a vehicle capable of getting me where I want to go. Not one that is only capable of operating in controlled conditions.
I know what the hotel industry uses. That is why they do not have clean floors. Do you really think those minimum wage housecleaners care how good the carpet is cleaned?
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #63 Sep 3, 2009 11:20 pm |
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You seem to abuse that return policy or defective product returns. You wont get away with it at with expert indys [thats why you dont do business with them] These were not returns. They were defective products. The first was a Toshiba CRT TV which qualified for in home service. A part had to be ordered. After two weeks of waiting for the part the repairman came to my house and installed it. That did not resolve the problem in full. Repairman said he had seen this failure before and it was better to replace the TV. He called the store from my home and had another TV delivered that same day (Saturday).
Next was a 55 in. Pioneer Elite that sold for over $5000. There was a known issue some of these sets getting green lines across the screen. Repairman fixed with parts that Pioneer had determined were needed. A few weeks later this developed again (occasionally). By then Pioneer had developed a different solution/fix. I decided to wait and see if it was a success as I had a five year warranty. Another month or two and it was found that this fix did not cure the problem and a third Pioneer fix was made available. I talked to the store manager about my concern of this occuring after my warranty expired. His suggestion was to exchange for a different TV. I exchanged for a Panasonic DLP. It is going strong after 5 years. An indie would have patched until the factory said no more. I would then be stuck with a clunker. Simply being an indie does not mean that you always know more than the consumer or that you will hot try to convince the consumer to be content with the POS that he sold you because you should not expect it to do all that you paid for.
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454
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Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #64 Sep 4, 2009 12:14 am |
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These were not returns. They were defective products. The first was a Toshiba CRT TV which qualified for in home service. A part had to be ordered. After two weeks of waiting for the part the repairman came to my house and installed it. That did not resolve the problem in full. Repairman said he had seen this failure before and it was better to replace the TV. He called the store from my home and had another TV delivered that same day (Saturday). Next was a 55 in. Pioneer Elite that sold for over $5000. There was a known issue some of these sets getting green lines across the screen. Repairman fixed with parts that Pioneer had determined were needed. A few weeks later this developed again (occasionally). By then Pioneer had developed a different solution/fix. I decided to wait and see if it was a success as I had a five year warranty. Another month or two and it was found that this fix did not cure the problem and a third Pioneer fix was made available. I talked to the store manager about my concern of this occuring after my warranty expired. His suggestion was to exchange for a different TV. I exchanged for a Panasonic DLP. It is going strong after 5 years. An indie would have patched until the factory said no more. I would then be stuck with a clunker. Simply being an indie does not mean that you always know more than the consumer or that you will hot try to convince the consumer to be content with the POS that he sold you because you should not expect it to do all that you paid for. Certainly not all, but many would fall under this guideline.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #65 Sep 4, 2009 1:05 am |
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HS: Let me proceed very slowly for you......... Under the BB ESP the first option exercised is ALWAYS to repair. If a repair is not possible, then a product replacement. With the same [if still available at BB]/comparable product in value. The BB ESP kicks in after the manufacturer's guarantee/warranty expires. If you have a 3 year plan for $19, you paid BB for the 2 years dyson covers and got one for the price of 3 at $19. Now, even you can figure that out if you go back and take the time to read and assuming you can comprehend. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #67 Sep 4, 2009 1:23 am |
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I know what the hotel industry uses. That is why they do not have clean floors. Do you really think those minimum wage housecleaners care how good the carpet is cleaned? If they want to keep their jobs in a bad economy? Yes, they do! The guests and visitors to Las Vegas are quick to complain if they are not treated/served in a manner worthy of the city's history and reputation.
Now.... I suppose if I lived in a rural, back woods country locale like you, they wouldn't. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #68 Sep 4, 2009 7:05 am |
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You seem to abuse that return policy or defective product returns. You wont get away with it at with expert indys [thats why you dont do business with them]
Very true MOLE.
- Firstly, indy's don't sell defective products because they know the good ones from the bad, unlike big box stores and their buyers.
- Two, indy's stand behind the products they sell, so customers don't have to pay extra for an insurance policy [aka: extended service plan].
- Three, if indy's sold defective products, with worthless warranties, and didn't stand behind their sales, they wouldn't stay in business very long.
- Lastly, the indy's are the back bone of the vacuum industry. Just ask James who is repairing his defective products in/out of warranty that require big box stores to sell ESP's to insure the customers' product purchases.
Carmine D.
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