Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Thought the Dyson discussion board would be interested in reading a small article about the Tacony Museum. Also Carmine's old friend.....

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/hit-the-road-jack/hit-the-road-jack/2009/08/new-museum-opens-at-st-james-on-historic-route-66/

dusty wrote:
Thanks Dusty,

So we now know its 100 grams of test medium (approximately 3.5 ounces) on medium pile and they do sixteen passes. (The sixteen passes does give any given machine more than enough chance.)
I think they must weigh the amount of stuff they pick up. It's not practical to weigh a rug the size of the sample they used to determine what's left of 3.5 ounces of material.

Venson

HARDSELL wrote:

My favorite brand/model vacuums HS, unlike you, are the one[s] that users prefer over all others to vacuum with as often as possible in their homes and are easy and quick for them to do so.  Plus, meets their cleaning needs and budgets.  If the brands/models score well with CR and the Carpet and Rug Institute [CRI] , I'll point that out.  CR praiseworthiness and CRI approval are icing on the cake.  Why?  CR has had savvy readers, consumers, and followers for many years.

What gets in your craw is that after 7 YEARS and in as many models your favorite brand can't score in the top tier of CR.  Consistently getting bested and beaten by vacuum brands you loath and impugn here.  In part, because they are alot less expensive than your brand.  That's the reason you impugn CR in other products too.  You don't like CR period because they rate your brand as form over function, sizzle over substance, and pricey with mediocre performance.  All categorizations I agree with also.

Carmine D.

Venson wrote:
Hi Venson,

The problem I could see with weighing what is picked up is how they would account for dirt that would cling to the walls of the hose, stay in the brushes, blow past the bag etc.  While the dirt may be out of the carpet it may still be lying in other parts of the vacuum and not recorded in the final results.  Darn those CR guys and their secrets! :-)

Dusty

dusty wrote:

Hi Dusty:

From what I understand that is part of the CR testing.  CR wants to determine how much dirt actually gets into the bag/dirt bin.  If its stuck somewhere else in the dirt/suction path, the vacuum gets dinged by CR.  Clever testing. 

Carmine D.

CR's pseudoscience (vacuum) video's:  mp4 or avi 
(click links to watch or control-click links to download)

DIB:

You said here that dyson has to rise to the top tier ranks of CR to be a serious contender for mainstream USA buyers [ I paraphrased].  You were right, tho you have since taken it back or toned it down by impugning CR every time it holds dysons' performance to the fire.  James chose the venue, big box stores.  When he did, he/his staff should have known that his products would be in competition with big box brands much less expensive that know the CR drill and perform for the money. 

Now that James can't get above the 10 spot with his $600 innovative vacuum, he needs a retreat.  With big box stores [even HSN] shunning the latest dyson products, James has to play nice nice with the indy's.  Gets in your craw doesn't it.  Niche seller.  Which isn't bad for the high prices.  The best thing you and dyson can do is kiss up to the indy's and hope they bite.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

I like doing battle with you here (mostly) and want to encourage you to keep using “paraphrasing, I believe, I think, if my memory serves me, etc.” vice “you said” only.  Many times you misquote me and it’s tiring, it’s not ideal for getting a responding post.  So keep it up (only quote if you can produce my words and in context, and demonstrate the date of my posts).  You recently posted (suggested) I did not like independents, which is false.  I do indeed like independents, I loath the dishonest ones (there’s lots of em).

Do you have a point?  When we’re in a recession, people spend less.  Pre-recession, Dyson did $1b - $1.5b annually.  Not bad for a backyard inventor, eh.

Perhaps Dyson should make a donation to the CR “can’t make it’s monthly nut fund” to insure a higher ranking/fair ranking.

Indeed the pathetic, low-life, dishonest indie/s not making enough money off Dyson products (per item) is an issue.  When Dyson reinvents the lowly vacuum cleaner, receives high reliability ratings, and then the bottom-feeder indie con bad-mouths the Dyson, ONLY so to make more money selling their exclusive and much higher margin (than Dyson) vacuums, is an issue.  Even if Dyson “kissed up” to these indie’s (had Miele-like margins and bag/belt sales/service sales), these “victims” still cannot get past their jealousy of Dyson.  Although, Dyson could get them into counseling or some other self-help program. - Maybe the dual-persona poster here could get some help too.


DIB

DIB:

Here's the points.  First, dishonest business people regardless of product/services don't stay in business very long especially in a bad times.  Your mud slinging at all "dishonest indy's" is disengenuous.   Name a few if they're out there.  I'd like to know who they are.

Second, with the waning dyson sales in big box stores, what's Sir James/dyson to do?  Look around.  The indy's are going great guns picking up the sales and service of all makes and models.  So that's the route you/dyson have to go in the future.  IF it's not too late.  Make nice nice now, or they'll tell you to stick it where the sun don't shine. 

Now that you know the points, you can agree/disagree.  But "can" the how great James art and your hero worship of him.  He/dyson still can't get a handheld that works properly even at $270 plus $60 for attachments and he and 500 engineers have trying for 7 years.  Maybe that's why he'll never be more than a back yard inventor.

Carmine D.

BTW a side bar point is that dyson vacuums can't make the top tier of CR.  As a big box seller, if dyson can't make the CR list, retailers won't sell.  Why?  Because big box store vacuum buyers won't buy.  Big box retailers want mainstream products that move quickly off the shelf to turn over their inventories and make profits.   Dyson vacuums just accumulate dust and dirt: On the outside.

That's the other reason dyson needs to bow down to the indy's and kiss their butts to sell his vacuums.  Get your clothes pin to stick on your nose and pucker up.  Should be easy for you.  You have alot of practice with James.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB,

Don't be such a sourpuss.  Dyson should be congratulated for making the top 10* in CR.  It is quite an accomplishment for the DC28. *Technically Dyson DC28 and the Kirby Sentria are tied with a score of 67/100 at #10 and #11, so the Dyson gets the 10 spot rather than the 11 presumably due to the Dyson name preceding Kirby in alphabetical order.  Perhaps it's luck of the draw who knows. 

If you only care about ability to clean carpeting, the upright vacuums rated excellent on carpeting are:  (#1)Hoover Windtunnell Anniversary, (#2) Hoover platinum bagged (at 13 pounds), (#4) the Hoover Tempo widepath, (#9) the Hoover Windtunel aniversary bagless, (#11) Kirby Sentria, (#13) Eureka boss 4D, (#16) Riccar Brilliance, and (#20) Riccar Supralite RSL4. 

Dyson needs to watch out.  The new Hoover Platinum bagless scored the same overall as the Dyson DC17 animal for a much lower price and better performance on pet hair.

In terms of bagless uprights, the Dyson is the 3rd highest bagless behind only Kenmore and Hoover .

Note to Hardsell:  The Royal Eminence model MRY9750 at $600 is rated #31 with 59 points.