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Lucky1


Joined: Jan 2, 2008
Points: 271

Vacuum Museum
Original Message   Aug 27, 2009 1:46 pm
Thought the Dyson discussion board would be interested in reading a small article about the Tacony Museum. Also Carmine's old friend.....

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/hit-the-road-jack/hit-the-road-jack/2009/08/new-museum-opens-at-st-james-on-historic-route-66/
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Lucky1


Joined: Jan 2, 2008
Points: 271

Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #104   Sep 7, 2009 2:48 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Carmine,<BR><BR>How big is this backbone?  How many independents are in the U.S.?<BR><BR>DIB

Like a clock with a pendulum it tends to swing one way then the other. I will grant you that, as I keep saying, people have been conditioned to equate "value" by price alone. This is especially true of the younger populace who have become accustomed to a disposable product mentality and who trust the Internet for information. A source that holds no one to task for faulty misleading information and shady dealings (note all the Ebay Problems and Craigs List scams) I can't help but to believe in the future they might just tire of being "SOLD/TAKEN" by a faceless, un-accountable entity that has taken advantage of them once too often. The problem... will there be a source remaining after the "Free Market" becomes a Monopoly?

Every week people come into the store complaining about some vacuum that isn't even a year old (yesterday it was one that was only used 3 times and that was a return/exchange by Lowes).
HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #105   Sep 7, 2009 3:28 pm
Lucky1 wrote:
Like a clock with a pendulum it tends to swing one way then the other. I will grant you that, as I keep saying, people have been conditioned to equate "value" by price alone. This is especially true of the younger populace who have become accustomed to a disposable product mentality and who trust the Internet for information. A source that holds no one to task for faulty misleading information and shady dealings (note all the Ebay Problems and Craigs List scams) I can't help but to believe in the future they might just tire of being "SOLD/TAKEN" by a faceless, un-accountable entity that has taken advantage of them once too often. The problem... will there be a source remaining after the "Free Market" becomes a Monopoly?

Every week people come into the store complaining about some vacuum that isn't even a year old (yesterday it was one that was only used 3 times and that was a return/exchange by Lowes).


They also get a lot of bad info from public forums.  I haven't seen the face of any of the pros on here.  I have heard their prejudices.  The pendulum does swing both ways doesn't it.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #106   Sep 7, 2009 4:26 pm
dusty wrote:
According to the VDTA there are over 18000 vacuum and sewing centers in North America.

Dusty



Thanks Dusty.  Quite a huge number which means business is booming for vacuum/sewing machine parts, service and repairs. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #107   Sep 7, 2009 4:34 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
They also get a lot of bad info from public forums.  I haven't seen the face of any of the pros on here.  I have heard their prejudices.  The pendulum does swing both ways doesn't it.


HS here's something even you can understand.  There is nothing to keep sales clerks at a big box retailers from telling customers a host of false claims and misinformation.  They are not trained.  They don't know the vacuum business.  They don't have access to expert vacuum advice and knowledge.  The latter dwells in the indies.  If you want it, that's where you have to get it. 

Public forums where vacuum professionals read and post have the best and most current information in the industry.  The ready access of all industry pros to the information posted forces the best and most current to be provided.  Not like the loose cannons at big box retailers who say anything and everything to sell product for commissions and the buyers like you eat it up.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #108   Sep 7, 2009 4:40 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
You should buy from the indies if you are going to preach the sermon.


That's exactly what I do and recommend others to do the same. 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #109   Sep 7, 2009 5:53 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
You should buy from the indies if you are going to preach the sermon.


CarmineD wrote:
That's exactly what I do and recommend others to do the same. 

Carmine D.

When did BB and Kohl's become indies?  Rember, all the indies on here are honest.


CarmineD wrote:
Hi Venson:

MIELE and other quality brand names are giving people options/choices.  As you said, primarily with color.  It's cheap for them to offer many variations on the theme from low price to high.  Economies of scale.  Perhaps too MIELE, and canister maker for years and years, is making up for lost time.

A similar but not the same comparison is my recent purchases of two new HOOVER TEMPO uprights.  One the traditional Catalina blue from BEST BUY [in store purchase] for $70 and another a new white model from Kohl's at $54 [on-line].  Both perform the same.  Quite well in fact for the prices.  But my color preference in this particular model is for white. 

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #110   Sep 7, 2009 6:19 pm
HS:

The big box store purchases like the TEMPO's are new ones I buy to use/assess and gift then away.  The indy store brands I buy are displays/demoes that I keep for own use and loan to friends and family who are in need.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #111   Sep 7, 2009 6:54 pm
CarmineD wrote:
HS:

The big box store purchases like the TEMPO's are new ones I buy to use/assess and gift then away.  The indy store brands I buy are displays/demoes that I keep for own use and loan to friends and family who are in need.

Carmine D.


So, you don't think yo.ur friends are worthy of a quality vacuum.

Besides you are taking a sales form a comrade.  What about service on the BB units.  You now stick it to some indy to cover a BB unit under warranty.

All this goes against you BS advice for others.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #112   Sep 8, 2009 6:54 am
HS:

I can tell you've celebrated the Holiday weekend with too much liquid spirits.  Your posts are more illogical than normal.  After you read my post again, hopefully in a more somber mood, if you still have a question post and I'll answer.  It's clear to me I said I buy/use the indy brands myself [displays and demoes] and loan these to friends and family in need.  If they like them after using, they can buy from an indy. 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Vacuum Museum
Reply #113   Sep 8, 2009 7:45 am
CarmineD wrote:
HS:

I can tell you've celebrated the Holiday weekend with too much liquid spirits.  Your posts are more illogical than normal.  After you read my post again, hopefully in a more somber mood, if you still have a question post and I'll answer.  It's clear to me I said I buy/use the indy brands myself [displays and demoes] and loan these to friends and family in need.  If they like them after using, they can buy from an indy. 

Carmine D.



I was totally sober yesterday. I still am.

You constantly preach about the benefits of buying from an indie.  You then tell us that when we buy from a big box store we are not supporting the backbone of the industry.  You also tell us that the indie gets stuck with the repair of bb units when they fail.

Really, there is no excuse for you not following you own advice.  Regardless of how the vacs will be used. 

Please don't bore us by saying that the indie does not sell the cheapies.  You always say that they can fill all our vac needs from low to high end.

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