Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Anybody have any ideas about what actually should constitute the basics of a good "green" vacuum cleaner?

I was checking out the Eureka Envirovac's ad claims and specs -- plus some not so favorable customer reviews today. They got me thinking.

Eureka claims that it's Envirovac's 800-watt motor uses less power than the 1200-watt vacuums now quite common on the market. We've had a long run of vacuum cleaners that have served us well using well under 800 watts for many years. So what's the difference?

Is it possible that an efficient 1200-watt vacuum may help get my work finished faster and even out the power consumption question by way of shorter use time? Also keep in mind that the whole issue of a vacuum cleaner's power consumption is highly debatable. Over a year, power used for vacuuming no where near matches the amount of draw by refrigerators, electric ranges and high heat producing appliances within the same span of time.

Better bagged and bagless vacuums do use final filtering medium that may prove a noticeable hit on the wallet if not our ecology. Dumping a dirt bin or water-pan in some ways may lend to saving on what you'd pay for bags although the variable there may hang upon size and price. We use far more paper and plastic by way of other household disposables like diapers and personal paper goods.

The few matters mentioned are just the tip of the iceberg when considering the total question. Maybe an ecologically beneficial vacuum cleaner, or any other appliance for that matter, can be more "green" by way of potential longevity and easy repairability. Biodegradable, recyclable, whatever -- brands and models we've seen endure and provide useful service over long periods of time may be the greenest cleaning machines we'll know by reason of less need for replacement. How do we keep that in the mix while moving ahead?

Venson

After additional thinking on the question Venson about what constitutes a 'green' [read environmentally oriented and committed vacuum], I have to opine that a CVS would, despite the initial higher outlay of green, be a candidate.  Why? A CVS would if used exclusively for the home eliminates the need for disposable portable vacuums over the lifetime of home occupancy.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Not so fast sir.  One of our biggest add on sales to central vacuums are stick vacs and hand vacs due to the fact that people don't want to lug the hose out all the time for small jobs.

Dusty

dusty wrote:

Sort of like owning an Oreck.  You have to store two vacs and attachments and drag it all out to clean.  Where is the simplicity?

Of course you could have 2 or 3 more back up vacuums for the Oreck that have hose and attachments all in one unit. 

I'll go as slow as you like.  I've owned a Dirt Devil handvacuum just for the reasons you mention and it's over 30 years old.  Same one.  Replaced belts brushes and bags.  Still have the original box for it too.  That seems very eco friendly to me.

All depends on the longevity and repairability of the sticks, canns, and hand vacs used to complement the CVS.  Didn't I just read here that the dustbuster turned 30 years old.  Had a few of those that lasted years and years too before gifting them all away to friends and family. 

If these smaller more energy efficient vacuums are used in concert with the CVS in homes and in lieu of the larger more energy consuming portable ones, the overall energy savings in the community, city, state, region and country would multiply exponentially. 

Carmine D.

It appears very energy efficient to use a 4 amp upright for floors and carpets only.  Then use an 8 amp canister for all above the floor and tool cleaning.  Rather than a 12 amp vacuum for both modes.  Why?  The two vacuums used individually will more than likely be used less than the one vacuum in concert for both.  In turn, the two will last their owners longer and use less energy in the process.  Seems 2 each for specific purposes are better than one for both? 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
In general the machines built today are nothing close in quality as those built 30 years ago.  We are routinely discarding  rechargeable and electric sticks after 4 or 5 years of use...same goes for hand vacs.  After spending upwards of $1000 on a CV, most customers aren't looking for high quality sticks or second vacuums...they want cheap and easy to use, which generally means disposable. I would also point out that using yourself as an example doesn't really count for much (no offense meant) as you know how to repair and service your vac...the average consumer does not and is quite willing to throw product away rather than repair knowing they can buy new for 30 or 40 dollars

Dusty

Venson wrote:

i see the CV systems as  the greenest way to go....but prefer an upright w/good filtration .  The upright allows me to take and keep my power

 with me wherever i go.....and at the moment i dont mind carrying it up or down stairs....when i do' ill keep one up one down. Never been a

fan of the CVsystems......no matter how eff /green or clean they are...sometimes green isnt always better... As long as the vacuum you use filters good

and has the power on hand for the task...then its efficient./green enough ....and w/ proper care it will last many years to come.

Iknow my views may change as i get older/wiser....or have allergy issues. i just dont feel all we have/use needs to be green....not with the little use

 it gets compared to all day/everyday running appliances.... the ones that really hammer us every month.

turtle1

Hello Dusty:

To my knowledge, the red Dirt Devil hand cleaner I bought and used for the last 30 years is the same sold in stores today.  I would also add that I believe the quality and performance of vacuums today as being comparable to those sold 30 years ago, if not even better.

And WRT to me as a point of reference, belts, brushes and bags as repairable parts on the Dirt Devil hand cleaner are not beyond the average vacuum customer with the desire to try.  Which make the Dirt Devil hand vacuum, in my opinion, due to the ease and inexpensive repairs and longevity, a 'green' vacuum.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

hi carmine

I agree....those ddvl hand vacs are hard to beat......take a lickin and keep on tickin...a  true durable hand vac that will last the test and stress of time....and abuse.

But lets not forget the great orecks.......durability and efficientcy at its finest.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hi 'turtle1'

ORECK was 'green,' and still is, long before the environmentalists and politicians, coined the word and term.  4 amps, one of the largest paper bags in the industry [reduces need to replace bag often lowering the number of bags needed] and 30 components to it.  Simple. 

Carmine D.