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Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

"Green" Vacuum Cleaners . . .
Original Message   Aug 20, 2009 8:02 am
Anybody have any ideas about what actually should constitute the basics of a good "green" vacuum cleaner?

I was checking out the Eureka Envirovac's ad claims and specs -- plus some not so favorable customer reviews today. They got me thinking.

Eureka claims that it's Envirovac's 800-watt motor uses less power than the 1200-watt vacuums now quite common on the market. We've had a long run of vacuum cleaners that have served us well using well under 800 watts for many years. So what's the difference?

Is it possible that an efficient 1200-watt vacuum may help get my work finished faster and even out the power consumption question by way of shorter use time? Also keep in mind that the whole issue of a vacuum cleaner's power consumption is highly debatable. Over a year, power used for vacuuming no where near matches the amount of draw by refrigerators, electric ranges and high heat producing appliances within the same span of time.

Better bagged and bagless vacuums do use final filtering medium that may prove a noticeable hit on the wallet if not our ecology. Dumping a dirt bin or water-pan in some ways may lend to saving on what you'd pay for bags although the variable there may hang upon size and price. We use far more paper and plastic by way of other household disposables like diapers and personal paper goods.

The few matters mentioned are just the tip of the iceberg when considering the total question. Maybe an ecologically beneficial vacuum cleaner, or any other appliance for that matter, can be more "green" by way of potential longevity and easy repairability. Biodegradable, recyclable, whatever -- brands and models we've seen endure and provide useful service over long periods of time may be the greenest cleaning machines we'll know by reason of less need for replacement. How do we keep that in the mix while moving ahead?

Venson
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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: "Green" Vacuum Cleaners . . .
Reply #71   Aug 27, 2009 1:58 pm
Update on the Cash for Clunkers for Appliances.

Who knows, maybe vacuums will get included. 

Carmine D.

'Clunkers' Sequel Rattles Appliance Producers

The cash-for-clunkers program was so successful in getting Americans to buy new cars that it ran out of money early. Now, a sequel, dollars-for-dishwashers, is coming to an appliance store near you.

But the $300 million program, funded through the federal government's economic stimulus plan, is certain to lack the same pop, said appliance makers and retailers. The program's intent is to spur sales of energy-efficient appliances, but its small size would provide just a minor boost for struggling appliance makers such as General Electric Co., Whirlpool Corp., and Sweden's Electrolux AB.

Unlike the clunkers plan, the program allows each state to pick qualifying models and tailor rebate amounts. Ohio might decide one washing machine qualifies for a $100 rebate, while California picks another for $125.

[Appliance] Bloomberg News

Manufacturers and retailers said they are reluctant to ramp up production or order new stocks until it is clear what models qualify. The Department of Energy, which designed the program, wants states to focus on just 10 categories of appliances carrying the federal Energy Star seal of approval for efficiency.

But other details are still uncertain. States could ask to include up to 46 other types of products, ranging from light bulbs to computers. While rebates are expected to range between $50 and $200, qualifying models and precise rebate amounts won't be provided until late this year or early next.

Electrolux Major Appliances North America is working with several states to shape their programs and is developing related advertising campaigns. "We're going to adjust our production as we see the changes in consumer demand emerge," said Marty O'Gorman, chief financial officer of the unit. "We're ready and geared up."

Guy Minnix, president of Metro Builders Supply Inc. in Tulsa, Okla., with nine outlets in four states, won't know which models to stock until state plans are clear.

"This should create a lot more consumer spending," he said, "but if they make it model-specific, you're kind of taking a guess as to which model to order." He worries about ordering too many products that end up not qualifying for a rebate.

Executives at Northland-Marvel, a division of Britain's Aga Rangemaster Group PLC, met this week to discuss how to accelerate plans to get efficiency ratings on its wine coolers and refrigerators. The Greenville, Mich., company currently doesn't have any that qualify.

However, Brad Stauffer, senior vice president of operations, said he is concerned that a surge of sales of higher-priced, energy-efficient models could be fleeting. "For many consumers," he said, "it always comes back to price points and features."

Some of the nation's biggest appliance makers are lobbying to make the plan rules uniform nationwide. They said the unknowns and the varying rules by state will make the program harder to explain to shoppers, in turn making it tougher to win sales.

The Car Allowance Rebate System, the official name for the clunkers program, was a roaring success with $3 billion allocated and nearly 700,000 vehicles sold. In Brazil, a stimulus program that offered a tax cut on household appliances, triggered a 20% boost in sales since April. Like automobiles, appliance-making requires significant activity, from procuring high-quality steel, production of compressors and other complex components, to transportation and warehouse stocking.

U.S. sales of major appliances have been sliding for three years, with shipments down 10% last year and 15% so far this year, according to the Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers.

The program "will provide consumers a unique opportunity to save money on energy-efficient appliances," said Dave McCalpin, chief marketing officer for GE Appliances. He said Fairfield, Conn.-based GE is working with state governments to adopt rebate programs that rely on Energy Star ratings.

Some states are considering standards that exceed Energy Star requirements, a move GE opposes. "We believe it is very important that rebate programs are consistent across the country," Mr. McCalpin said.

The stricter proposals underscore criticisms that the Energy Star program is not tough enough in raising energy efficiency. The Environmental Protection Agency is looking at revising the program's standards. If it does so after the states set their rules, the rebates could end up subsidizing some appliances that are not as energy efficient as they could be.

[Wring out Cash]

Write to Timothy Aeppel at timothy.aeppel@wsj.com and Paul Glader at paul.glader@wsj.com

Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: "Green" Vacuum Cleaners . . .
Reply #72   Aug 27, 2009 5:06 pm
Thanks Carmine. I think careful guidelines need to be drawn as I see Electrolux AB's big appliance sales problem is that they cost too much. Neither it, Miele or Bosch to name a few more deserve brownie points. Let them bring their prices down a bit.

I just got my first look at a Lowe's out in Jersey City. I was knocking around before an interview and got to thinking about dishwasher prices. (What is life without dreams?)

It would seem that Electrolux could stand offering more dishwasher models competitively priced nearer the old American standard brands like Whirlpool, Maytag, GE and Frigidaire. There were several decent "American" models bearing those brand names that ranged from $300 to $600. Yeah, I'd say give the folks a break by making the purchase of a decent appliance easier to achieve. But -- if more extravagance is required by the individual consumer, let the cost of $1,000 or more price tags fall upon his or her own purse. No government intervention is needed in a case like. I in no way feel, as an instance, dishwashers like Fisher & Paykel and Kitchen-Aid's drawer models, supposedly specialty items running from $1.000 to $1,500 easily, deserve to be included as rebate candidates.

Regarding money or damage saving features, it also baffles me that useful anti-leak design for dishwashers -- a system that shuts off the machine's water supply when a leak is detected -- should have to be a feature that requires an arm and a leg to buy.

As for vacuums, there should also be price ceilings. To get relief on vacuums priced up to $650 as not a bad deal. This would be a boon to big-boxers and indies providing reasonably priced goods. However, I see the purchase of vacuum models in the $1,000 range and above as not deserving. Let their manufacturers also consider dropping their prices.

Hopefully, there will be a ceiling, per type and average price, on all appliance rebates comparable to what was claimed to be in place for automobiles. There should also be a clearly expressed plan and line of responsibility for the disposal and recycling of appliances being replaced by benefit of a rebate plan.

Venson
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: "Green" Vacuum Cleaners . . .
Reply #73   Sep 6, 2009 3:11 pm
The advisor to President Obama charged with promotion of "green products" resigned yesterday in controversy.  If you interested here's the story and link:

The White House said Van Jones, one of President Barack Obama's advisers, is resigning amid controversy over past inflammatory statements.

Mr. Jones, who has promoted "green jobs," was linked to efforts suggesting a governmental role in the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks and to derogatory comments about Republicans.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125221129315388817.html?mod=djemalertNEWS

Carmine D.

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