Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Anybody have any ideas about what actually should constitute the basics of a good "green" vacuum cleaner?

I was checking out the Eureka Envirovac's ad claims and specs -- plus some not so favorable customer reviews today. They got me thinking.

Eureka claims that it's Envirovac's 800-watt motor uses less power than the 1200-watt vacuums now quite common on the market. We've had a long run of vacuum cleaners that have served us well using well under 800 watts for many years. So what's the difference?

Is it possible that an efficient 1200-watt vacuum may help get my work finished faster and even out the power consumption question by way of shorter use time? Also keep in mind that the whole issue of a vacuum cleaner's power consumption is highly debatable. Over a year, power used for vacuuming no where near matches the amount of draw by refrigerators, electric ranges and high heat producing appliances within the same span of time.

Better bagged and bagless vacuums do use final filtering medium that may prove a noticeable hit on the wallet if not our ecology. Dumping a dirt bin or water-pan in some ways may lend to saving on what you'd pay for bags although the variable there may hang upon size and price. We use far more paper and plastic by way of other household disposables like diapers and personal paper goods.

The few matters mentioned are just the tip of the iceberg when considering the total question. Maybe an ecologically beneficial vacuum cleaner, or any other appliance for that matter, can be more "green" by way of potential longevity and easy repairability. Biodegradable, recyclable, whatever -- brands and models we've seen endure and provide useful service over long periods of time may be the greenest cleaning machines we'll know by reason of less need for replacement. How do we keep that in the mix while moving ahead?

Venson

DIB:

As usual you miss the salient point.  I answered for you about the refurbs.  These are in dyson's jurisdiction.  Dyson sets the prices.  All other dysons are fair game to highest bidder.  Since all second hand dysons [includng refurbs] compete for the same target market and sales share, dyson has a vested interest in eliminated the "indy" competition.  Now, here's another question for you DIB.  How do suppose dyson would do this if they were so inclined? 

Before you give me your holier than thou dyson spiel, remember the entire Brit royalty plus PM Brown are in bed with Colonel Guadafi for oil and gas contracts.  Money talks DIB.  That's the point if you miss all the rest.   The highest bidder is getting those junked dysons.  Who do you think the highest bidder is?

Carmine D.

Who controls all those Oreck refurbs.

CarmineD wrote:
retardturtle1 wrote: RetardT,

I have [mostly] no problems with an opinion.  I do have a problem when you’re posting derogatorily and insinuating or stating something has happened or is happening when it is not.


DIB


P.S.  P.S.  In all fairness, others too, go after Dyson in a derogatory and unprovable way.  And that's the challenge...  to disprove (if and when I want).

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

I answred that question several times already when DIB did not.  Stay focused.

Carmine D.

DIB:

Your latest post on impugning others' opinions goes right back to you. 

I have a DC07 pink.  After rebates and discounts, it cost me $250.  This price is currently the dyson refurb price for a DC07 pink with a 6 month warranty.  I bought it new September 2006.  It's 3 years old AND has a 5 year warranty.  Still under warranty.  It has about 20 hours of use at most.  For all intents and purposes its brand spanking new.  With the box and users guide.  I can easily sell for less than $250 and/or trade into an indy and the indy sell for less than $250.  Or junk it.  What's to stop me?   

Most of the dyson refurbs sold by retailers today are DC07, DC14, and DC15 models for $230-$270.  Tons of these on the internet and in vacuum stores [visit some indies and see for yourself].  These are also being sold new at retailers at new dyson prices at approximately $100 more than the refurb prices depending on sales and discounts.  I'd OPINE that these refurbs are no longer under their original 2 year warranty.  But no one knows for sure. These may even still have had their 5 year warranty like mine.  Who's to say that these [DC07, 14 and 15] are not also in the junk piles and dumps being bidded on by indies and dyson for resale?  You know for sure?  Or just giving us your opinions like evryone else?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Somehow I missed the answer.  Would you please tell me?

HARDSELL wrote:

Sure HS.  Here is the post again. 

CarmineD wrote:

If you note HS, there are alot fewer ORECK refurbs than dyson.  One of the best ORECK refurb sellers is the HEPA upright for $550 which is all sold out currently.

If you have any questions about refurbs, remanufactured, reconditioned, used rebuilt, demoes/displays, please ask.  I'll be happy to answer or tell you I don't know.

Carmine D.

For the record HS, and FWIW, while I don't make it a practice to visit dumps and disposals, I have on many occasions for just reasons.  I have never EVER seen ORECK's.  As I have never ever seen an ORECK in the neighborhood trash pick up. EVER!  That's saying something since I am rather old in the tooth.  I can say the same about MIELE's too never at dumps or trash pick up.  And I notice those things after being in the business for many years.  I can't about your fave brand which have not been sold in the USA and are not nearly as old as ORECK and MIELE.  I've seen dysonS  in the neighborhood trash here and elsewhere and I always let them stay there for pick up.  On occasion, even with the dyson cartons.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I have no doubt about what you said.  It seems as if all the bad Dyson news follows you.  No matter where you go it is worse there than anywhere else.

Oddly I have not seen any Dysons on the streets or junk stores.  Hoovers are the top candidate here.  Pawn shops and yard sales abound with them.

BTW, Harbor Freight is now selling refurb Orecks.  Must be a lot of them if a national company can aquire enough to sell.

Hello HS:

Your welcome for the answer to your question.

I know the facts and circumstances as they relates to vacuums.  I call them like I see them.  If others, who have a vested interest in a company/brand, have a problem with that, it's their problem.  Freedom of speech gives them the right to say so just as it does me to say it.  I have no ties to any company now and/or ever.  I'm retired from the vacuum store business after 40 plus years and as an industry consultant for over 15 years.   Long time to be associated with an industry.  I like to think contrary to some posters' opinions here that I've learned alot in those 55 plus years.  But I'm always the proverbial student of the trade and willing to learn more.  And I usually do by asking.

Carmine D.