Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Anybody have any ideas about what actually should constitute the basics of a good "green" vacuum cleaner?

I was checking out the Eureka Envirovac's ad claims and specs -- plus some not so favorable customer reviews today. They got me thinking.

Eureka claims that it's Envirovac's 800-watt motor uses less power than the 1200-watt vacuums now quite common on the market. We've had a long run of vacuum cleaners that have served us well using well under 800 watts for many years. So what's the difference?

Is it possible that an efficient 1200-watt vacuum may help get my work finished faster and even out the power consumption question by way of shorter use time? Also keep in mind that the whole issue of a vacuum cleaner's power consumption is highly debatable. Over a year, power used for vacuuming no where near matches the amount of draw by refrigerators, electric ranges and high heat producing appliances within the same span of time.

Better bagged and bagless vacuums do use final filtering medium that may prove a noticeable hit on the wallet if not our ecology. Dumping a dirt bin or water-pan in some ways may lend to saving on what you'd pay for bags although the variable there may hang upon size and price. We use far more paper and plastic by way of other household disposables like diapers and personal paper goods.

The few matters mentioned are just the tip of the iceberg when considering the total question. Maybe an ecologically beneficial vacuum cleaner, or any other appliance for that matter, can be more "green" by way of potential longevity and easy repairability. Biodegradable, recyclable, whatever -- brands and models we've seen endure and provide useful service over long periods of time may be the greenest cleaning machines we'll know by reason of less need for replacement. How do we keep that in the mix while moving ahead?

Venson

CarmineD wrote:

And it's not the hush hush friends and family dyson discounts at 50 percent and more off MSRP [to boost lagging sales]!  Think you have the answer now?  We're waiting............

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Carmine,

I wish to talk of Dyson controlling / manipulating the [junk] Dyson vacuum market per yours and RetardT theories.  So, how is it done and where is the proof?  Phasers off.


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB

    Well.....no proof and more of a hunch....or my theories on it anyway.   Why seperate them from the rest ? ...gotta be a reason....what better way to control whose hands or shelves they end up on...then to buy them up and control that small end of things.....thats what i would do. And how its done.....seperate / pick-up /pay-up......take to place  where the scrap rebuilding and salvage takes place....then on to the refurb market.   when money is involved ...anythings poss......dont see where dyson or anyone else is above this.....its actually a smart idea/move...seems like it anyway.

turtle1

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'turtle1'

You know how business works.  Your reasons are as good if not better than the ones that DIB proposes for his righteous dyson.  DIB avoids the truth and the facts.  The facts, as you know them in the vacuum business, allow the 'refurb' market to be manipulated [to use DIB's trekie terminology] and controlled by the brand maker, at least in the USA.  You also know that that there are laws governing the makers which regulate labelling, selling, and recording of all "refurbs."  In direct competition with the refurbs are dysons that are sold as 'used', 'reconditioned,' 'rebuilt' and 'demoes/displays.'  If these are in the hands of dyson franchised dealers, their sales are probably monitored and manipulated by dyson, at the risk of the dealer who doesn't obey.  If they are indies, with no ties to dyson, it's a sales war with no holds barred between dyson and them on prices and sales in the after market.  We all know how much DIB admires the indies!  I wonder the reason.

See DIB, I told you I'd assist if need be.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

You sound like Jim Garrison with all your far fetched conspiracies and/or lame attempts to link Dyson to this or that, perhaps you should give Oliver Stone a call. 

I’m sure Dyson Corp’s behavior is in line with the industry, I’ve never heard even one negative comment otherwise.  These so-called Dyson dealers (dishonest dealers) have a perfect “racket” going for them.  Customers come in asking questions of Dyson or Dyson repairs and eventually walk out with a Miele or other higher profit margin (for the dealer himself/herself, not the manufacturer) vacuum.

The topic or the topic you created was Dyson manipulating the UK market via junkyards and junk Dyson’s.  Is it common place as you describe or allude to, to throw away near new Dyson’s?  I’ve heard of the wealthy giving away new products they do not want to hassle returning and instead giving away to a charity.  If a new/near new Dyson was put out on curbside to be throw away (junked) a passerby would simply snatch it up.  So how exactly is Dyson manipulating the UK market by controlling discontinued and/or badly beaten up/used up Dyson’s?


DIB

DIB:

As usual you miss the salient point.  I answered for you about the refurbs.  These are in dyson's jurisdiction.  Dyson sets the prices.  All other dysons are fair game to highest bidder.  Since all second hand dysons [includng refurbs] compete for the same target market and sales share, dyson has a vested interest in eliminated the "indy" competition.  Now, here's another question for you DIB.  How do suppose dyson would do this if they were so inclined? 

Before you give me your holier than thou dyson spiel, remember the entire Brit royalty plus PM Brown are in bed with Colonel Guadafi for oil and gas contracts.  Money talks DIB.  That's the point if you miss all the rest.   The highest bidder is getting those junked dysons.  Who do you think the highest bidder is?

Carmine D.

Who controls all those Oreck refurbs.

CarmineD wrote:
retardturtle1 wrote: RetardT,

I have [mostly] no problems with an opinion.  I do have a problem when you’re posting derogatorily and insinuating or stating something has happened or is happening when it is not.


DIB


P.S.  P.S.  In all fairness, others too, go after Dyson in a derogatory and unprovable way.  And that's the challenge...  to disprove (if and when I want).

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

I answred that question several times already when DIB did not.  Stay focused.

Carmine D.

DIB:

Your latest post on impugning others' opinions goes right back to you. 

I have a DC07 pink.  After rebates and discounts, it cost me $250.  This price is currently the dyson refurb price for a DC07 pink with a 6 month warranty.  I bought it new September 2006.  It's 3 years old AND has a 5 year warranty.  Still under warranty.  It has about 20 hours of use at most.  For all intents and purposes its brand spanking new.  With the box and users guide.  I can easily sell for less than $250 and/or trade into an indy and the indy sell for less than $250.  Or junk it.  What's to stop me?   

Most of the dyson refurbs sold by retailers today are DC07, DC14, and DC15 models for $230-$270.  Tons of these on the internet and in vacuum stores [visit some indies and see for yourself].  These are also being sold new at retailers at new dyson prices at approximately $100 more than the refurb prices depending on sales and discounts.  I'd OPINE that these refurbs are no longer under their original 2 year warranty.  But no one knows for sure. These may even still have had their 5 year warranty like mine.  Who's to say that these [DC07, 14 and 15] are not also in the junk piles and dumps being bidded on by indies and dyson for resale?  You know for sure?  Or just giving us your opinions like evryone else?

Carmine D.