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Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

"Green" Vacuum Cleaners . . .
Original Message   Aug 20, 2009 8:02 am
Anybody have any ideas about what actually should constitute the basics of a good "green" vacuum cleaner?

I was checking out the Eureka Envirovac's ad claims and specs -- plus some not so favorable customer reviews today. They got me thinking.

Eureka claims that it's Envirovac's 800-watt motor uses less power than the 1200-watt vacuums now quite common on the market. We've had a long run of vacuum cleaners that have served us well using well under 800 watts for many years. So what's the difference?

Is it possible that an efficient 1200-watt vacuum may help get my work finished faster and even out the power consumption question by way of shorter use time? Also keep in mind that the whole issue of a vacuum cleaner's power consumption is highly debatable. Over a year, power used for vacuuming no where near matches the amount of draw by refrigerators, electric ranges and high heat producing appliances within the same span of time.

Better bagged and bagless vacuums do use final filtering medium that may prove a noticeable hit on the wallet if not our ecology. Dumping a dirt bin or water-pan in some ways may lend to saving on what you'd pay for bags although the variable there may hang upon size and price. We use far more paper and plastic by way of other household disposables like diapers and personal paper goods.

The few matters mentioned are just the tip of the iceberg when considering the total question. Maybe an ecologically beneficial vacuum cleaner, or any other appliance for that matter, can be more "green" by way of potential longevity and easy repairability. Biodegradable, recyclable, whatever -- brands and models we've seen endure and provide useful service over long periods of time may be the greenest cleaning machines we'll know by reason of less need for replacement. How do we keep that in the mix while moving ahead?

Venson
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retardturtle1


Joined: May 16, 2009
Points: 358

Re: "Green" Vacuum Cleaners . . .
Reply #10   Aug 20, 2009 7:58 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello Dusty:

To my knowledge, the red Dirt Devil hand cleaner I bought and used for the last 30 years is the same sold in stores today.  I would also add that I believe the quality and performance of vacuums today as being comparable to those sold 30 years ago, if not even better.

And WRT to me as a point of reference, belts, brushes and bags as repairable parts on the Dirt Devil hand cleaner are not beyond the average vacuum customer with the desire to try.  Which make the Dirt Devil hand vacuum, in my opinion, due to the ease and inexpensive repairs and longevity, a 'green' vacuum.

Carmine D.


hi carmine

I agree....those ddvl hand vacs are hard to beat......take a lickin and keep on tickin...a  true durable hand vac that will last the test and stress of time....and abuse.

But lets not forget the great orecks.......durability and efficientcy at its finest.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: "Green" Vacuum Cleaners . . .
Reply #11   Aug 21, 2009 6:30 am
retardturtle1 wrote:
hi carmine

I agree....those ddvl hand vacs are hard to beat......take a lickin and keep on tickin...a  true durable hand vac that will last the test and stress of time....and abuse.

But lets not forget the great orecks.......durability and efficientcy at its finest.


Hi 'turtle1'

ORECK was 'green,' and still is, long before the environmentalists and politicians, coined the word and term.  4 amps, one of the largest paper bags in the industry [reduces need to replace bag often lowering the number of bags needed] and 30 components to it.  Simple. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: "Green" Vacuum Cleaners . . .
Reply #12   Aug 21, 2009 6:48 am
Here's an article related to 'green' appliances.  Enjoy.

Carmine D.

Program to Offer Appliance Rebates

CHICAGO -- Appliance manufacturers are counting on a "cash for clunkers"-type rebate program to revive slumping sales of refrigerators, washing machines and dishwashers.

Beginning late this fall, federal rebates will be available for purchasers of high-efficiency household appliances, furnaces and air-conditioning systems. Congress authorized $300 million for the program earlier this year as part of the federal economic-stimulus bill.

After seeing the recent surge in new-car orders attributed to the federally funded clunkers program, appliance industry executives are hoping to lure consumers back into appliance store showrooms with rebates that are expected to reach $200 on some types of appliances.

"It's a good way for the consumer to get back into the marketplace," said J.B. Hoyt, director of governmental relations for Whirlpool Corp., the world's largest producer of household appliances by revenue. "Clearly, anything that boosts business is good for us."

Whirlpool has been pushing for such a program for years. The 2005 energy bill included an authorization for $300 million over six years for energy-efficiency rebates on appliances. That authorization was never funded, but in the 2009 stimulus bill, the entire $300 million was authorized.

Appliances covered by the program include dishwashers, washing machines and refrigerators. They must carry Energy Star ratings, indicating they meet energy-efficiency standards set by the Environmental Protection Agency and Department of Energy. To qualify for rebates, buyers won't have to trade in older, less-efficient models, which is a key component of the car program. Appliances made by companies based overseas will be eligible for the rebates if they have the Energy Star label.

In 2008, about 55% of newly produced major household appliances qualified for the Energy Star designation, according to the Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers in Washington.

Whirlpool, Electrolux, General Electric Co. and other appliance companies are mired in severe sales slumps linked to the collapse of the U.S. home construction industry and prolonged by an economic recession that has damped consumers' interest in buying expensive durable goods.

The $300 million was distributed to states based on the number of households. But the federal government left most of the details, including specific rebate amounts for each type of appliance, up to state governments to decide. States' plans for the program are due to the Department of Energy by Oct. 15.

Write to Bob Tita at robert.tita@dowjones.com

Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: "Green" Vacuum Cleaners . . .
Reply #13   Aug 21, 2009 8:19 am
Thanks for the article Carmine. I'm glad to learn of something beneficial that the broader public can benefit from. Not meaning to play favorites but Whirlpool, for one, has always been a favorite of mine by way of its production of not necessarily the fanciest but quite solid, efficient and better-priced home appliances. (If you think I have problems about 1500-buck vacuums you ought to see me when it comes to dishwashers.)

I'll be curious to see how much new ground is broken in regard to energy efficient appliances in the near future.

Venson
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: "Green" Vacuum Cleaners . . .
Reply #14   Aug 21, 2009 9:00 am
Hi Venson:

HOOVER/TTA has already started to display the energy star for its products on its Web Site.

Carmine D.

Platinum Cordless System with LiNX Technology

LiNX cordless products from the Hoover Platinum Collection are the first cordless cleaning tools that utilize 18 volt, interchangeable Lithium-Ion batteries. The Platinum Collection Stick Vacuum uses Hoover's Patented WindTunnel™ Technology combined with bagless, cyclonic filtration to provide the performance of an upright on hard floors with cordless convenience.* The Platinum Collection Hand Vacuum enjoys a 2X longer runtime.** Lithium Ion technology provides fade-free power and a battery fuel gauge shows remaining battery life. With a quick, three hour charge time and an environmentally-friendly Energy Star rating, the LiNX Cordless System is truly the future of cordless cleaning!

* on hard floors Per ASTM F2607

* * as tested per ELTP-002 against a leading competitive lithium-ion cordless hand vac

  What is Energy Star? Energy Star

This message was modified Aug 21, 2009 by CarmineD
Severus


If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...

Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 397

Re: "Green" Vacuum Cleaners . . .
Reply #15   Aug 21, 2009 11:12 am
The Europeans are way beyond us in recycling old appliances.   Although this refers to Dyson, it apparently applies to all European manufacturers:  http://www.dyson.co.uk/support/weee.asp

What is WEEE?

The WEEE Directive is a European law, which came into force in the UK on 1st July 2007. It's designed to reduce the amount of WEEE going into landfill. This means that all manufacturers like Dyson will be responsible for the disposal of old electrical goods in an environment friendly way.

Dyson and WEEE

To emphasise our commitment to recycling and the WEEE initiative, Dyson are offering you the chance to recycle your old vacuum cleaner when you buy a new Dyson upright or cylinder from our web shop at www.dyson.co.uk. When placing an order for your new Dyson vacuum cleaner, all you need to do is let us know that you would like us to collect your old vacuum cleaner no matter what the make. Dyson can collect (from UK mainland only) your old cleaner free of charge and dispose of it in an environmentally friendly way. It really is that simple.


WEEE Directive FAQ

What does the WEEE directive mean?

The WEEE directive is a European law to minimise the impact of electrical and electronic goods on the environment by requiring the re-use and recycling of waste, so that the amount of WEEE going into landfill is reduced dramatically.

How will the WEEE directive work?

All producers, like Dyson, will be responsible for the disposal of end of life electrical goods in an environmentally friendly way.

When does it come into effect?

It comes into effect on 1st July 2007. It has been phased into other European countries over the last 2 years or so.

Why is this happening?

Over our lifetime each one of us throws away on average 3.3 tonnes of electrical goods. To preserve our environment we need to look at ways of becoming more sustainable.

What is Dyson doing towards this?

We are part of the largest alliance scheme called REPIC (Recycling Electrical Producers Industry Consortium). REPIC is helping us and most other major electrical manufacturers to achieve the WEEE objectives, and if you purchase a Dyson directly from us we can collect your old one and recycle this for you.

What do I have to do?

Nothing at the moment. It just means that when the time comes to renew your vacuum cleaner you can take your old one to a designated collection facility in your area for recycling, or if you purchase a Dyson directly from us we will collect your old one and recycle it for you.

What do I do with my old Dyson?

You can take it to your nearest designated collection facility, or if you purchase a new machine directly from Dyson we can make arrangements to collect your old one when we deliver your new machine.

The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable.  The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking. 
Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: "Green" Vacuum Cleaners . . .
Reply #16   Aug 21, 2009 12:02 pm
Hi Severus,

We'll be hard-pressed to find the same in many places here.

Just about to praise my local PC Richards & Sons which makes a practice of removing old large appliances from your home when delivering new ones. I just checked in with that department at my local store. It turns out that your old, range, fridge, whatever, merely ends up in a dump in New Jersey. So much for progress.

Best,

Venson
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: "Green" Vacuum Cleaners . . .
Reply #17   Aug 21, 2009 12:18 pm
Hence the reason the rest of the peoples of the world called Americans wasteful!

Carmine D.

Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: "Green" Vacuum Cleaners . . .
Reply #18   Aug 21, 2009 12:54 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hence the reason the rest of the peoples of the world called Americans wasteful!</p><p>Carmine D.

I find that issue very important. I'm told that if the rest of the world were to consume on the same level as we, we'd need five more planets to accommodate the waste and pollution. This may make some shrug, but other parts of the world live way less large than many of our lesser funded citizens here. The expansion of industry all round the world makes me wonder how long it will be before mandatory recycling rules will have to be put in place worldwide.

PC Richards' pick-up policy is good for sales I'm sure. Being an apartment dweller and having not the slightest idea as to how to easily dispose of a dead refrigerator, the store's offer clinched the sale. However, I never once thought to ask where my old fridge was going.

Venson
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: "Green" Vacuum Cleaners . . .
Reply #19   Aug 21, 2009 3:02 pm
Venson wrote:
I find that issue very important. I'm told that if the rest of the world were to consume on the same level as we, we'd need five more planets to accommodate the waste and pollution. This may make some shrug, but other parts of the world live way less large than many of our lesser funded citizens here. The expansion of industry all round the world makes me wonder how long it will be before mandatory recycling rules will have to be put in place worldwide.

PC Richards' pick-up policy is good for sales I'm sure. Being an apartment dweller and having not the slightest idea as to how to easily dispose of a dead refrigerator, the store's offer clinched the sale. However, I never once thought to ask where my old fridge was going.

Venson



Hello Venson:

Perhaps some of these issues will find their own solution.  Hardcopy newspapers, once thought to be the products that would eventually deplete the country's entire supply of forests, are no longer as relied upon by daily readers as TV and on-line news.  So at least for now the forests are safe. 

Carmine D.

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