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M00seUK


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Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Original Message   Jun 25, 2009 10:06 am
In the press today:-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711862-details/Dyson+with+more+revs+than+F1+racer/article.do

Product details:-

  • Motor goes at 106,000rpm 'three times faster than any other motor'
  • 200 watt motor
  • 65/38 air watts (switchable power??)
  • £129.99 GBP RRP, powered brush version £149.99

I think the devil will be in the other details, as we learn them. Presumably it's using the Dyson Digital motor? From the photo, the collection bin looks slightly deeper and has a more prominent release switch. It has improved max suction (DC16 has 36 air watts) so I'm presuming (nay hoping) that it can run in standard mode for more than 5mins and switch to a 'turbo' mode as needed?

I have prefectly good DC16, but I could be tempted by something with a longer run time and twice the already impresive suction for car cleaning.

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DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #246   Aug 14, 2009 12:59 am
CarmineD wrote:
Talking about science DIB, one of my favorite topics.  Have you ever heard of the High School course called INtegrated Science?  2 years.  It combines the disciplines of physics and chemistry together into one study.  The instructor who invented the course and taught is Dr. Morris Lerner [now deceased but the course goes on and advanced into some of the most prestigious universities in the USA.]  Twenty five years after I had his course, he met a relative of mine with the same last name as me.  He asked if there was a relation to me.  The relative said yes and queried how would you remember Carmine's name after 25 years?  Dr. Lerner said:  I remember the names of all the students who I gave A's in IS.  They were a very small number.  Nice thing about the story is that it is 100 percent true [I threw that in for HS who hates half truths].
Carmine D. 

Oh, I get it now... a frustrated science student, going “postal” on those who know how to get things done.


DIB


CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #247   Aug 14, 2009 6:58 am
retardturtle1 wrote:
HI CARMNE

$200 for a cordless 5 min hand vac.....thats the price of a brand new oreck upr that will last many years to come....oustanding reliability.

1-2 min use per charge hr for $200..seriously? you have time to clean up one spilled ashtray..then its dormant for another 5 hrs..not practical

nor is it money well  spent .....reguardless of what it can do 'its not going to do it  for more than 5 min .  its place is on the shelf of a collector....

it will remain in a cordless/class all its own.....winner....the best $200  5 min hand vac ...category.  or wait till this time next year and get them at big lots

2 or 3 for the cost of one now ...thats  10-15min  combined use and this way you can have time to properly clean up the whole mess....not half now half later.

turtle1


Hello 'turtle1'

I understand from collectors that 3 or more of an item is considered a 'collection' and the owner a 'collector.'  Surely a 5 minute charge, requiring 3-5 hours to achieve, is reason enough not to pull a DC16 out for any clean up job.  So anyone with 3 or more dyson DC16's MUST be a collector with a collection. 

Carmine D

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #248   Aug 14, 2009 7:04 am
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Oh, I get it now... a frustrated science student, going “postal” on those who know how to get things done.


DIB



Wrong again.  But a good laugh. 

A love and thirst for science that was transferred and imputed to a love and knowledge of vacuum cleaners [and I will add a vacuum business and consulting profession in the industry].  The latter is getting things done.  If you don't apply the advancements in science to business and technology, it is worthless.  If you haven't read already, and I'd bet you didn't, read the link that Severus posted on the dustbuster.  Then compare to James'  DC16.  After 30 years the dustbuster is still going stron and sold over 100 MILLION units.  The DC16 is DOA.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #249   Aug 14, 2009 8:06 am
Severus wrote:
You can also overwhelm the cyclonic separation by taking in too much dirt at once.   I suspect that most of the dirt that goes into the pre-motor filters is from start up and/or overwhelming the cyclones with too much dirt at once.   

Dyson users have reported dirt and sand getting into the pre-motor filters.   This is why.  With a much lower powered hand vac and users cycling them on and off, I suspect it will be much worse. 

Hello Severus:

I agree.  During start up and shut down bagless cyclones have fine dust/dirt lodging in the openings w/o passing into the dirt bin.  Especially if users start right into cleanup after startup.  Tho, I have not seen the warnings, it would behoove cyclonic bagless brand makers to advise users to allow a brief run time after start up and before cleanup begins.  Conversely the same is true with shut down.  Allow a brief run time to get all the dust and dirt through the cyclones before shut down.

Carmine D.

Severus


If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...

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Points: 397

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #250   Aug 14, 2009 3:40 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
I have not seen any evidence of this.  Have you?

DIB

P.S.  I own 3 DC16's.


Son of a gun.  What a coincidence, I do too.  I picked them up at yardsales last weekend for $5 each. 

The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable.  The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking. 
retardturtle1


Joined: May 16, 2009
Points: 358

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #251   Aug 14, 2009 4:50 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello Severus:

I agree.  During start up and shut down bagless cyclones have fine dust/dirt lodging in the openings w/o passing into the dirt bin.  Especially if users start right into cleanup after startup.  Tho, I have not seen the warnings, it would behoove cyclonic bagless brand makers to advise users to allow a brief run time after start up and before cleanup begins.  Conversely the same is true with shut down.  Allow a brief run time to get all the dust and dirt through the cyclones before shut down.

Carmine D.


All this run time before and after use......on a handvac that is already on a serious time limit....no time to clean up....now thats dyson science ...applied.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #252   Aug 14, 2009 5:25 pm
retardturtle1 wrote:
All this run time before and after use......on a handvac that is already on a serious time limit....no time to clean up....now thats dyson science ...applied.


Hello 'turtle1'

More like dyson science misapplied.

Carmine D.

retardturtle1


Joined: May 16, 2009
Points: 358

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #253   Aug 14, 2009 8:07 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello 'turtle1'

More like dyson science misapplied.

Carmine D.


HI CARMINE

Overpriced.....very limited use at best.  a $25-40 handvac for $200...priced for the dyson elite/followers ...yup'' one born every minute '  And james is  $ banking $ on them....

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #254   Aug 15, 2009 6:46 am
Severus wrote:
Son of a gun.  What a coincidence, I do too.  I picked them up at yardsales last weekend for $5 each. 



Hello Severus:

The Dirt Devil handcleaners I see at yard/garage sales are usually priced $15-$20 and sometimes more.  I suspect the battery packs in those dyson handhelds you picked up are shot.  Replacement batteries are $50 plus. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #255   Aug 15, 2009 6:49 am
retardturtle1 wrote:
HI CARMINE

Overpriced.....very limited use at best.  a $25-40 handvac for $200...priced for the dyson elite/followers ...yup'' one born every minute '  And james is  $ banking $ on them....


Hello 'turtle1'

Dyson has a cult-like following ref: DIB.  Misguided for the most part.  Can't separate the fantasy in their minds from the reality of the real world.

Carmine D.

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