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M00seUK
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Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Original Message Jun 25, 2009 10:06 am |
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In the press today:- http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711862-details/Dyson+with+more+revs+than+F1+racer/article.doProduct details:- - Motor goes at 106,000rpm 'three times faster than any other motor'
- 200 watt motor
- 65/38 air watts (switchable power??)
- £129.99 GBP RRP, powered brush version £149.99
I think the devil will be in the other details, as we learn them. Presumably it's using the Dyson Digital motor? From the photo, the collection bin looks slightly deeper and has a more prominent release switch. It has improved max suction (DC16 has 36 air watts) so I'm presuming (nay hoping) that it can run in standard mode for more than 5mins and switch to a 'turbo' mode as needed? I have prefectly good DC16, but I could be tempted by something with a longer run time and twice the already impresive suction for car cleaning.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #236 Aug 13, 2009 1:40 pm |
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Hello Severus: Looks like DIB by his lack of responses here is conspicuosly MIA and absent. In concert with your reservations about the cyclones on dyson's handheld, the Popular Meachanics test complicates the clean-up scenario further with the "wet" kitty litter. Water is tabu for dyson dirt cyclones. Speeds up the clogging process in the cyclones. Hence dyson's warnings about never ever using water and washing the cyclones. Moral of the story, if you want a handheld that looks innovative but only works for 5 minutes on limited clean up jobs, and you have $150-$200 to flush down the toilet, DC16 id the one. If you are looking to buy a real hand held cordless with a 30 year history of product performance and only $50, Black & Decker is the one. Carmine D.
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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #237 Aug 13, 2009 2:37 pm |
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I have not seen any evidence of this. Have you?
DIB
P.S. I own 3 DC16's.
You can also overwhelm the cyclonic separation by taking in too much dirt at once. I suspect that most of the dirt that goes into the pre-motor filters is from start up and/or overwhelming the cyclones with too much dirt at once. Dyson users have reported dirt and sand getting into the pre-motor filters. This is why. With a much lower powered hand vac and users cycling them on and off, I suspect it will be much worse.
The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable. The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking.
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #238 Aug 13, 2009 3:49 pm |
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You can also overwhelm the cyclonic separation by taking in too much dirt at once. I suspect that most of the dirt that goes into the pre-motor filters is from start up and/or overwhelming the cyclones with too much dirt at once.
Dyson users have reported dirt and sand getting into the pre-motor filters. This is why. With a much lower powered hand vac and users cycling them on and off, I suspect it will be much worse. Dust overload and/or lack of proper airflow are the primary ways the cyclones do not filter well. I’ve seen little evidence of dust reentrainment (the few models I’ve studied) at startup and shut down. The handheld by nature, brings much airflow to the cyclones and this is why the separators work (filter) so well. Carmine could have informed you of this - if he could only get his head around the science of cyclonic’s. Perhaps if he quit spending so much time rambling and smothering, and instead pick up a book - this may help. Then again, more likely not. DIB
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #242 Aug 13, 2009 8:57 pm |
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I suppose you have proof to validate this story. I mean proof that you can show us. If not there is no reason to belive it coming from you.
HS:
Ye of little faith. Carmine D. 1972 AAPT Distinguished Service Recipient, Morris R. Lerner Dies Morris R. Lerner, a 1972 recipient of AAPT’s Distinguished Service Citation for exceptional contributions to physics teaching, died June 5 in Millburn, New Jersey at age 94.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #243 Aug 13, 2009 9:00 pm |
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HS:
Ye of little faith. What part of the story would you like me to prove? Carmine D. You could start with proof of anyone who would claim to be your relative.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #244 Aug 13, 2009 9:05 pm |
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Well, HS I have that proof. Tho Dr. Lerner has passed as you can see. The relative is still alive and doing well. I'm sure that relative would like as much to recount the story to you as me once again. Your call. BTW, AAPT stands for American Association of Physics Teachers. My illustrious science career did not end with HS. In college, my Professor was Dr. Charles Pine, also deceased, and equally as reknown as Dr. Lerner. Believe it or not, before the vacuum business, I had plans to be a scientist, thanks to the likes of Dr.'s Lerner and Pine. Dr. Lerner said and wrote about me: The "world hath need of thee." Little did we both know at the time it would be the vacuum world. Carmine D.
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retardturtle1
Joined: May 16, 2009
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #245 Aug 14, 2009 12:56 am |
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Hello Severus: Looks like DIB by his lack of responses here is conspicuosly MIA and absent. In concert with your reservations about the cyclones on dyson's handheld, the Popular Meachanics test complicates the clean-up scenario further with the "wet" kitty litter. Water is tabu for dyson dirt cyclones. Speeds up the clogging process in the cyclones. Hence dyson's warnings about never ever using water and washing the cyclones. Moral of the story, if you want a handheld that looks innovative but only works for 5 minutes on limited clean up jobs, and you have $150-$200 to flush down the toilet, DC16 id the one. If you are looking to buy a real hand held cordless with a 30 year history of product performance and only $50, Black & Decker is the one. Carmine D. HI CARMNE
$200 for a cordless 5 min hand vac.....thats the price of a brand new oreck upr that will last many years to come....oustanding reliability. 1-2 min use per charge hr for $200..seriously? you have time to clean up one spilled ashtray..then its dormant for another 5 hrs..not practical nor is it money well spent .....reguardless of what it can do 'its not going to do it for more than 5 min . its place is on the shelf of a collector.... it will remain in a cordless/class all its own.....winner....the best $200 5 min hand vac ...category. or wait till this time next year and get them at big lots 2 or 3 for the cost of one now ...thats 10-15min combined use and this way you can have time to properly clean up the whole mess....not half now half later. turtle1
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