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DysonInventsBig
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Reply #86 Aug 5, 2009 9:11 pm |
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I personally think the floating head principle works fine for the most part in the UK and similar places that favour short pile carpeting. Dyson's original reasoning is that height adjustments on the cleaning head were rarely used and thus often incorrectly set, so for many people in many situations the floating head idea was a better compromise.
Clearly, in the US they've struggled to get a top rating on deep cleaning ability. The unofficial line appears to be that many of their competitors with better results in the tests achieve this by being over aggressive, causing carpet wear. If you recall on this forum a few years ago, someone posted non-public photos sourced via Dyson that showed carpet damage reprehensive of other cleaners.
So, the Dyson DC28 is what they're putting forward as the answer... well if you're prepared to pay for it. I suspect the initial goal will be to see if they can get it to the top of the CR tests and similar - that would be a PR victory (of which they're so fond) at the very least.
Hello Moose, Marrying a full-proof way (the floating nozzle) to a clear bin was genus. CR can say all it wanted or rate the Dyson as low as it wanted... it did not matter. Word of mouth and/or HSN demos sold the vacuum BIG TIME. IMO, the floating nozzle is less about “not having knobs to fiddle with” and more about insuring debris makes it into the clear bin with ever users. Insuring the bin filling up with every user was always the goal, AND IT WORKED! DIB
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CarmineD
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Reply #88 Aug 6, 2009 6:16 am |
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The dirt embedded in a rug, if not removed, overtime is the key element for premature rug wear and damage. All rug makers will attest to it. The Carpet and Rug Institute says so too. A rug can hold its weight in dirt and still look clean. If that dirt is not removed, the carpet wears out. Back to the dyson's latest. It claims to get ouyt the deep down dirt. Question: IN comparison to what other brands/models? Dysons? Make the claim, prove the claim, and see how many sell for $500-$600. Make the claim, don't prove the claim, and see how many sell for $500-$600. With such a claim, dyson MUST seek the approval of the CRI. As proof. If not, good luck. Perhaps the same people DIB talks about buying $300 dyson handhelds will buy dysons with rug adjustments. Of course if one waits, one/another may be gifted with purchase of the other. Carmine D. |
DysonInventsBig
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Reply #90 Aug 6, 2009 10:56 am |
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If dyson sees a floating head on a full size upright as genius then rug height adjustments on vacuums must be the equivalent of a miracle. No one save a person in a frozen sleep, read mummy, would agree. Carmine D. The dirt embedded in a rug, if not removed, overtime is the key element for premature rug wear and damage. All rug makers will attest to it. The Carpet and Rug Institute says so too. A rug can hold its weight in dirt and still look clean. If that dirt is not removed, the carpet wears out. Back to the dyson's latest. It claims to get ouyt the deep down dirt. Question: IN comparison to what other brands/models? Dysons? Make the claim, prove the claim, and see how many sell for $500-$600. Make the claim, don't prove the claim, and see how many sell for $500-$600. With such a claim, dyson MUST seek the approval of the CRI. As proof. If not, good luck. Perhaps the same people DIB talks about buying $300 dyson handhelds will buy dysons with rug adjustments. Of course if one waits, one/another may be gifted with purchase of the other. Carmine D. Carmine, What percentage of U.S. vacuum users adjust their height adjustments correctly from room to room? In the past, CR did not explicitly and in bold messaging tell its readers that their carpet cleaning findings are based on having the perfect/near perfect height setting. Could CR not find print space just under where they claim to be non-bias and just above where they are in need of millions of dollars in "donations."  I'm not interested in your opinion or you walking up and down the isles at Best Buy or interviewing folks in the Costco parking lot determining if Dyson products have value. I am interested in studies. What's the number (percentage)? DIB
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CarmineD
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Reply #91 Aug 6, 2009 1:08 pm |
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DIB: The nose knows! Since Sir James, your leader, added height adjustments to his latest vacuum invention and charges extra for it, I presume he/dyson, if not you, believes rug adjustments are important enough and warranted if one wants to have the benefits of deep clean carpeting. If you read my write-up here about dyson's DC28, it might enlighten you as to the reason height adjustments make a difference. That is if you can comprehend too. Carmine D. |
retardturtle1
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Reply #94 Aug 6, 2009 2:39 pm |
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Carmine, What percentage of U.S. vacuum users adjust their height adjustments correctly from room to room? In the past, CR did not explicitly and in bold messaging tell its readers that their carpet cleaning findings are based on having the perfect/near perfect height setting. Could CR not find print space just under where they claim to be non-bias and just above where they are in need of millions of dollars in "donations." I'm not interested in your opinion or you walking up and down the isles at Best Buy or interviewing folks in the Costco parking lot determining if Dyson products have value. I am interested in studies. What's the number (percentage)? DIB Is it not the people...the actual users of the product that you want to hear from and talk to. The shoppers who buy / why they bought. likes / dislikes.....changes youd make..ect. .... best info in the world is the customer/owner. they will tell you all you want to know.....cant get any better than that.
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DysonInventsBig
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Reply #95 Aug 6, 2009 5:24 pm |
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As to percentages of users, depends. Sometimes all of them. Sometimes none of them. Most times somewhere in between. The answer to the question, like the question, is irrelevant. The question, more appropriately SHOULD BE if vacuum users want/need height adjustments for carpet cleaning in their homes, what brands and models have them and for how much. For example: HOOVER TEMPO offers 5 on for $75-$80. THe latest from your company offers 4 for $500-$600. Carmine D. Carmine, You just admitted 2/3 rd’s of all U.S. vacuum users do not adjust their height adjustments properly. Confirming Dyson choosing the floating head method was indeed a brilliant [genius] business move. DIB
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