Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

It's true, no more clutch.  It uses a brushroll motor.

Right HS:  HOOVER Fusion $100 dyson $500.  Good comparison!  If you insist on irrelevant comparisons try the HOOVER TEMPO for $80 for its stars/reviews.  Almost 1000 with 4.5 stars. 

Here's an excerpt my good dyson friend.  A meaningful review and analysis. I've owned several and still do. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Remember Carmine.  When Fusion came on the market you predicted that it would be the end of Dyson.  WM and Sam's alone would sell so these and Dyson would sink.  3 years later and Both sell Dyson. Did I mention that in 3 years the Fusion gets 8 reviews.  What a seller.  Now the Whisper is trying the same thing as Fusion.  No listing on Sam's for the Whisper.  If you do not want Dyson compared to you cheapos why do you constantly bring them up and then squak about ythe price difference.  In fact you predicted that the $119 Fusion would unseat Dyson.  Since it didn't you blame cost.  LOL.  What next?

The Tempo scores no better than Dyson on Amazon.  In fact Dyson has a fraction better score.  It seems that most Tempo users were wanting a cheap vac and are satisfied for the performance AT THE COST.  Most Tempo owners woukl be happy with any vac in their double wides.

It also looks like Tempo and Dyson scores superior to the Orecks on Amazon.  And to think those Orecks reach $800 or 5 times the cost of Tempo.

They are coming to take you away haha, haha.

The Hoover has lot's of reviews on HSN... 3.4 out of 5 stars

Fusion

Hi Ace:

3.4 stars is not too shabby for $100 bagless vacuum.  This was, no longer made, a TTI sourced vacuum at the time, with the HOOVER brand.  A precursor to the fact that TTI woul eventually make a bid for HOOVER when part of the Whirlpool tutelage.

HS:

You and your dyson brethren can't get over the fact that in 2005 the HOOVER Fusion KO'ed dyson in all the Wal*Mart stores and kept dysons out for 2 years, until James came groveling back.  A $100 contender whupped a $500 supposed champ!  Cream of the crap.

Carmine D.

Carmine, something good much be happening with Dyson... They now aren't just letting anyone sell there vacuum's like they did before... Even I was turned down after I took a couple of year off selling them and I sold a few "600" just through my website...

Acerone wrote:

Hello Ace:

You are and have always been a big supporter of all things dyson and one of the first to sell them here in the USA.  If you are preempted from selling dyson now because you took a sabbatical from sales for awhile, I can't/don't see that as something good for dyson.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

HS:

The only thing dyson beat was the money out of the people who bought dysons.  Like flushing $500 down the toilet. 

Interesting the pricing disagreement that got dyson kicked out of W*M for 2 years.  In 2003, W*M had an exclusive dyson called the All Carpets with an MSRP for $359.  [No clutch].  On sale W*M typically sold for $309-$319.  When the exclusive contract expired, W*M starting selling the DC07 All Floors with an MSRP of $379.  Not selling in 2004/5, W*M lowered the price to the $319 [the selling price of the All Carpet].  James and dyson had a hissy fit and cried like a baby.  W*M having already contracted with HOOVER for a 2 year deal with HOOVER Fusion in the Spring of 2005 told Sir James to take all the unsold DC07's back with REFUNDS to W*M.  James did.  A boat load.  James dumped them on BEST BUY stores.  BB took over 4 years to get rid of them.  In 2007, James grovelled to W*M and begged W*M to take dysons back in.  Had to pull some management strings to get the deal done.  No exclusives tho since with W*M.  In fall 2008, the smaller Sam's Club, took on the DC27 as an exclusive discussed in this thread.  They are selling like Jim Beam bourbon to Mormons at the Temple in Salt Lake City.  5 reviews in almost 10 months.  Wow.  HOOVER Fusion was one of W*M's most popular vacuum sellers of all times.  Even the dyson insider/rep who used to post here, Matt mmc/Airblade, fessed up to that fact on several occasions here.  

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:

Thanks for confessing up that you exagerated in your original statement about Fusion keeping Dyson out of WM for 2 years when the real reason was a pricing disagreement as I stated.

We already established that 5 reviews in 10 months is more positive that 8 reviews in 24 + months.  We also established that Dyson beat Fusion ratings.

I would expect the $119 vac to sell more units than the $300 + vac at WM.  Does Timex sell more watches than Rolex?  Would most of the Timex owners buy Rolex if they were the same price.  It is difficult for WM shoppers to justify a $350 vac for their double wide. Mud flaps, hunting equipment and beer are more important to WM shoppers.

Big diff HS:

Both watches tell time the same but timex watches don't sell for rolex prices.  Overcharging for mediocre performance [dyson] doesn't make it a better performer [than HOOVER Fusion].

Carmine D.