Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I heard tell that there was a new Lux coming down the pike.  Anyone have any info?  Is it a new Lux or a redesigned Guardian?

Some hear tell it has a digital motor. 

CarmineD wrote:

How does it fall apart when Dyson has more perfect scores?  Common sense tells an intelligent person that the brand with fewer reviews can not have more stars.  Intelligence also shows Dyson getting a larger % of share.  Remember what you always say.  % of market is better than units sold.  % should apply in comparisons also if what you always say is true.

Read and weep:

REVIEWS	5 STARS	% AT 5 STARS
403	289	71.71%	DC15
77	38	49.35%	DC24
24	6	25.00%	HOOVER Z 700
8	1	12.50%	Z 400

Didn't you tell the world that "Z" and Fusion would whoop Dyson.  The chart tells the story.  Your favorite (Wind Tunnel) scores about 35 % in 5 stars.  Not very good for a vac that you taut as the standard to match in the industry.  Is it any wonder that no one copies the WT?

My point with Oreck was to show that the Tempo rates higher than your tauted Oreck.  Get over it.

No attack. Just fact.

My point HS is that HOOVER makes and sells an $80 upright TEMPO that consistently beats out all the $500 plus dyson models in sales, performance and satisfaction.    And TEMPO beats others too.  A testament ot its quality, performance and consumer appeal.

Carmine D.

And TEMPO is only 16 pounds.  The cutoff for a lightweight class in the vacuum industry.  Eat your hearts out dyson fans. 

Carmine D.

Hardsell,

   I did not take your remark of me as a joke, smiley or not. I fix vacuums for all customers no matter what they have. Dyson just hasn't got what it takes for me to back. Plastic that gets brittle and easy to break, dyson claims of never clogging or losing suction (under laboratory use not home use) , Suction of the late 80's , early 90's, heavy weight, high price for the cost of its components- DIB says wholesale for clutch unit $ 19 , try and get one  cost fom Dyson $50 plus labor putting it in at a Dyson facility total cost with tax could cost $124 +. As far as having a vandetta against Dyson ,Hoover, Kirby, Rainbow or any other vacuum I don't.

   I have been working on all cleaners for longer than you have been around . Bagless electric brooms came out in the 1950's. The people asked for and got bagged brooms. Today we are seeing a fad that is going on and as any fad will eventually die. It will take longer than in the fifties due to the population. It sounds good to use no bags but it does take filters and they are more expensive than bags and many don't last as long.

                                                                                             Procare

                                                                                                    

procare wrote:
HARDSELL wrote:

I doubt that you have been working on vac as long as I have been around.  I never questioned or attacked your integrity or ability.

I did ask 3 questions that Have not been answered. 

Did the words "on topic" ever mean anything... its reasons like the rants and b*tching in this thread that people don't read online forums. When I log on and see a thread updated I'm hoping to find info about the topic, not some petty disagreement. That is what email and instant messengers are for folks.

Back on topic, I picked up an Epic at an estate sale today and was kind of comparing notes to what was written early in the thread. This could be a nice machine if all holds true, but I reiterate my earlier statement in a different thread. The days of the luxury vacuum cleaner are coming to a close, me believes.

lazaruspup wrote:
Good morning lazaruspup,

My feeling remains that all any vacuum manufacturer needs is two, no more than three models per each type of machine it may make. Basically a good no-frills machine and a "deluxe" version with extra features for those that can't live without them or want to look good for the neighbors.

The big problem I see is that luxury items are now commanding pricing way, way above and beyond what it actually costs to make them. The idea of acquiring something a little better is great but if you can't afford it you buy what you can buy. I think even my old standby, Sears, is beginning to leave the average consumer behind in the dust as it's prices escalate too.

By the way, check out http://www.aerusonline.com. I don't know if it's been doing this all along but Aerus now has a "Buy now-pay later" plan in place. I haven't heard of this is years. In current history, most cunsumers buying expensive vacs like Lux, Rainbow, FQ and Kirby have been buying this machines with their credit cards, leaving the makers free of bother with accounting and collections -- especially in case of default.

Back in the day, many of the more costly niche brand vacs sold door to door had hook-ups with finance companies to encourage people to buy despite the high asking price. Many ofthe buyers were those for whom the cost of a hogh-priced vacuum was a really ungainly stretch of the budget. I recall I bought my first Filter Queen that way just to establish a credit background. I also handled the acquisition of a Lux Silverado the same way.

I assume that Aerus has linked up with GE for this purposes due to shrinking credit availability in regard to the credit card.

Venson

Hi Venson:

I saw the GE credit line advertised on the Aerus site.  Very interesting.  Looks like a direct swipe at all the big box retailers advertising credit for their customers' purchases.

Carmine D.

Hi Carmine,

Considering our current economic picture, do you think is easy to acquire or that there may be limitations for financing? 40 or more years ago, door-to-door vac vendors were allowing credit not only to those who appeared well-heeled but to just about everybody including homes where welfare was the major source of income.

Again my suspicion is that they were so free with credit/financed sales because the actual cost of the machines was far below the asking price.

Wonder if they'll set up a "rebate for clunkers" plans for old vacs the same way as they've done for cars?

Venson

Venson wrote:

Hello Venson:

Contrary to the Administration's pronouncements about mortgage assistance thru the Feds to assist borrowers, I have not seen any iota of real world evidence.  Especially here in Las Vegas.  All the major banks/lenders are turning down borrowers for refi's and interest rate adjustments.  Unfortunately, as the Inspector General for the TARP funds has asserted on several occasions, there is no accountability/transparency for the expenditures of these "taxpayer" funds.  By past practice, we know from the Government Accountability Office [formerly the General Accounting Office(GAO)] that WITH OVERSIGHT in place the funds risk a 10 percent amount of fraud, waste and abuse.  WITHOUT OVERSIGHT, as is the case of the TARP funds, who knows the amount for sure.  $500 BILLION with no oversight in place.

WRT cash for clunkers:  I am the original owner of a 1999 Ford Explorer XLT with combined MPG of 15.  It is on the list of eligibles for the Fed program.  It has over 92K miles.  I am in the market for a replacement.  But I haven't taken advantage of the Fed program.  Why?  I have received solicitations from Ford daily with a line of credit of $35K and promise of almost $8500 cash discount for my Explorer.  NO big deal seeing I got $3000 cash rebate on a new 2008 Ford Escape in November 2007 w/o any trade in. 

Leave it to the government to screw it up.  You know what the dealership would do with my trade in?  Throw in a gunk solution to kill the engine and squash the body to a state of being indistinguishable.  A waste.  Many, many years ago I witnessed HOOVER employees killing their old style upright vacuums when they came in on trade.  Why?  HOOVER believed as long as the old style HOOVER's [and I'm talking 30's and 40's vintage] were on the market, they would never sell any of the new HOOVER's.  The scheme didn't work for HOOVER.  I survived for 7 years in the vacuum business never selling a new HOOVER.  Just selling HOOVER rebuilts to people who wanted new HOOVER's. 

Same with the cash for clunkers.  As the price of gas goes down, these old fuel guzzlers will become more desirable and their value/prices will go up.  More so with so many going to the dumps.  Carmine's rule: Whatever the Feds try to accomplish, usually just the opposite occurs.

Carmine D.