Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I heard tell that there was a new Lux coming down the pike.  Anyone have any info?  Is it a new Lux or a redesigned Guardian?

Some hear tell it has a digital motor. 

Hi MOLE,

My questions were posed for the sake of my own learning curve. The consumer has gotta do what he has to do too. However, if I don't trust anyone else's word, I certainly trust yours.

Venson

mole wrote:

Hello MOLE:

A religious man!  The multiplication of the loaves [Gospels of Mark and John] to feed 5000!  Have to trust your word!

Carmine D.

  Having not seen the new Guardian Ultra I can not say a lot yet. But to answer Vaclov on the design of the powerhead - there a constant change in the design of the power nozzle and it's components. The basic style may not change but things like the motor, brushroll, air slots for airflow are constantly changing for the carpets of the day. If you followed the history of the power nozzle , you would see the change as carpets in the home changed. The PN 1 was designed when Jute backed  Area rugs were the rage, Then PN 2 came out for the start of Wall to Wall carpeting, PN 4 came to work with the carpet as they started to have moisture barriers. The PN-5 was the first of the Omni Flow design power nozzles for all around cleaning. The PN-6 came out next to improve with the air slots , brushroll change, and motors. As the carpets change , suction changes, the power nozzle will change. How would you redesign the power head?  Deep cleaning is there. Change your brushroll every six to seven years or less if you use it a lot  because as a brush wears, your deep cleaning will go away. Brushrolls don't last forever.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Procare

CarmineD wrote:

Hello vaclov and Venson:

Be nice.  DIB and HS will take umbarge at these remarks as attacks against dyson uprights for its puny brush bars. 

Procare is right on and is MOLE.  DC28 design could be problematic by sealing too tightly with rugs and stiffling suction power even resulting in overheating.  Note the Aerus write up about the Aerus power brush heads and tools. 

Carmine D.

Carmine contrary to your beliefs I consider all the comparisons to Dyson as FLATTERY.  No other vacuum has created so much jealousy by the other players.

Hello HS/DIB:

I'd say the quote function is acting up again!  Here's the proof.  And its not MOLE's post. 

I actually agree with you HS.  The other vacuum brands are not jealous they are livid.  Dyson is the cream of the crap in vacuums and sells for luxury prices! 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hello HS/DIB:

I'd say the quote function is acting up again!  Here's the proof.  And its not MOLE's post. 

I actually agree with you HS.  The other vacuum brands are not jealous they are livid.  Dyson is the cream of the crap in vacuums and sells for luxury prices! 

Carmine D.

The only reason they are livid is because Dyson put the hurt on most and busted Hoover.  I know one Dyson was crappy.  The one Dyson shoved up your sitter.

       One thing I don't worry about is Dyson. There is nothing flattering about Dyson or the other bagless opponents to it. In my area you walk into Walmart and all you see are bagless vacuums and one cheap bagged vacuum. The people here are getting tired of bagless and are not getting another. I have more than a dozen that people brought in to work on and said no to repairing and said they wanted a bagged vacuum instead. I didn't steer them in that direction, they did. Not all of them bought from me because of price of product . Many could only buy the cheap due to unemployment in the area.

                                                                                                        Procare

procare wrote:

Bagless dominates in all big box stores.  Do you not think this is because most all brands jumped deep into bagless when Dyson was selling so good?  Hoover's first attempts at bagless were pathetic.  Their Fusion was a marginal improvement.  I gifted a Fusion to my sister for her new home 3 years ago and it is already in need of repair.    I used a DC07 for 3 years and never one hiccup.  Imitation is flattering but not necessarilly as good as the copied product.

Are you saying that a dozen Dysons came in or a mixed bag (no pun) of brands came in?  What did the dozen or so buy to replace their bagless?

If you consider the number of bagless sold by WM a dozen is a very small ratio of disliked vacs.  IMO there was as many bagged from WM that were dislikled prior to the bagles.  WM is not known for top quality and I find them to be no less expensive than the competition on like brands.  They get the crowds due to location, location, location.  Also they have excellent satisfaction policy.

Enough.  Thanks for your civil posts.

HARDSELL wrote:

Correct: "was."  As in a fad that soon fades.  Bagless have come and gone through the years in the vacuum industry.  Being wildly popular and then waning.  Your fave brand joined the ranks of the ones that came before.

Bagless is consumer cheap.  Ideal for sticks and hand helds and shop vacs.  Full size use and the dirt bin dumping is a nuisance.  You went from the DC07 bagless to a bagged royal.  Just as Procare and other indies see in their business. 

By trash talking bagged vacuums from the starting gate and still to elevate his own bagless brand, James thumbed his nose at a majority of the vacuum consumers and market.  All experts warn of the negative effects of bagless and bin dumping on peoples' health.  James would have to swallow alot of crow to enter the mainstream bagged market now.  Probably too late for him at this point.

Give credit to the bagged vacuum brands that coexisted with the bagless.  They had the eye on the prize.  James was too egotistic and haughty to coexist.  Like his zealous supporters he thought his overpriced overhawked and hyped bagless would run the competition out of business.  His thinking backfired.  They are prospering and he is drowning.

Carmine D.

When I spoke of these dozen bagless that people said not to fix is not saying some others didn't get theirs fixed but almost everyone said when they bought new they were going back to bagged.The  only one to benifit is the Independents that carry them. As I recall the average number of bagless sold in the U.S. was 30% and is declining.  A Dyson was put out in the trash by a lady down the street yesterday. A DC-25 Ball.