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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #9 Jun 16, 2009 4:52 pm |
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Carmine, The DC15’s Ball technology is genius and a huge money maker and is being copied (although not nearly as good) by some of the worlds biggest. The DC15‘s weight, the heavy feel when turning, the intentional air-leak/suction killer in the nozzle - (designed to prevent a strong grip - so easier to turn), and the price point, look like they were not as excepted as hoped. Although many love the DC15 and post their praises on HSN and many other review sites. Dyson’s experimenting and turning these experiments into product have proven to be money makers. Even the Model-T of vacuum manufacturers, that is... Oreck, played around with a steerable upright, although only somewhat-steerable. DIB
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #10 Jun 16, 2009 5:45 pm |
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Hello Carmine,
The DC11 is built on exclusive only to Dyson technology (at that time), multi-cyclonic’s. Additionally many wanted and still want his Telescopic Wrap. These 2 systems have contributed to his companies wealth. The weakest link was the turbo brush... a U.S. train wreck no doubt. Your anti-Dyson contributions make it/could make it sound like new technology they’ve developed and launch was a failure. There was no such failure.
DIB
DIB:
Dyson's inability to equip its very first canister model in the USA, a $500 DC11, with an adequate rug nozzle for US carpets is as you say " a train wreck. " Logically speaking, removing the rose colored dyson glasses, train wrecks, whether waiting to happen or after the fact, are best described as huge failures. You're left with an out of the pocket expenditure of $500 and useless meaningless words. I'd say the latter is the reason for a 9 month product life, the shortest in US vacuum history. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #11 Jun 16, 2009 5:51 pm |
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DIB: WRT dyson's original ball DC15, within one month of its launch in the USA, I was the first here to post that BEST BUY stores would reduce its MSRP by at least $50 by the end of the year. You recall a DC15's All Floor original price was $599. Many of the posters here with dyson rosy glasses laughed at my post. Except Venson. He agreed. Well, I was wrong, dyson dropped the MSRP by $100 in September 2005, within 3 months of its launch. The BEST BUY store that is the largest seller of dyson vacuums on the east coast says the dyson DC15 is [was] its worse seller after dyson's DC11, which had the highest return rate of all its vacuums. Consumer Reports consistently rated a dyson DC15 ball as the worse of all dyson uprights. That is up until DC24 baby ball model, which now has the infamous ranking of the worse of all CR's dyson ratings. As I recall, you boasted paying only $300 for your DC15 ball from BEST BUY, well under the MSRP. The only way BB could sell them. Carmine D. You were also the first (and likely only) to post that several Hoovers would be the demise of Dyson. I was the first to tell you that you were wrong. I was right.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #12 Jun 16, 2009 6:08 pm |
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You were also the first (and likely only) to post that several Hoovers would be the demise of Dyson. I was the first to tell you that you were wrong. I was right.
Hi HS:
In case you missed it, I have ONE ally which I strategically predicted here in January 2009 would agree with me: Consumer Reports. HOOVER received 7 of the top 20 upright winners per CR, including spots 1, 3, 5, 8, 15, 18 and 20. Your favorite brand got 13 and 19. That's a death/funeral knell. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #13 Jun 16, 2009 6:53 pm |
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Hi HS: In case you missed it, I have ONE ally which I strategically predicted here in January 2009 would agree with me: Consumer Reports. HOOVER received 7 of the top 20 upright winners per CR, including spots 1, 3, 5, 8, 15, 18 and 20. Your favorite brand got 13 and 19. That's a death/funeral knell. Carmine D. I hear the wind blowing again.
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vacmanuk
Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
Points: 1162
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #15 Jun 17, 2009 8:01 am |
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Sorry guys I MUST concur here. Its simply not enough to rely on statistics, believing ALL the hype that consumer reports do = after all Im sure some of you have vacuums that have been slated in the past and yet they give you sterling service. Granted, some statistics are worth relying on but they don't create a whole picture. <BR><BR>I'll give you an example; on here (and I can't remember whether it was a review or not) someone mentioned that the Sebo Felix gave poor carpet performance. Not in my home! If I go over the whole carpet with the Felix and then a bagless vacuum with no dirt in the bin, hardly any other dirt comes to the surface which the cyclonic system produces. This isn't a lab test but purely one that's done by me. <BR><BR>Similarly I got a surprise when I did the same testing with a claimed "best performance" Panasonic bagged upright and the bagless test- the cyclonic vac produced a lot more dirt after the Panasonic had gone over the same carpet. Here's a good video with a Dyson in it! http://fwd.five.tv/videos/jon-tests-vacuum-cleaners
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #18 Jun 17, 2009 9:04 am |
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Sorry guys I MUST concur here. Its simply not enough to rely on statistics, believing ALL the hype that consumer reports do = after all Im sure some of you have vacuums that have been slated in the past and yet they give you sterling service. Granted, some statistics are worth relying on but they don't create a whole picture. <BR><BR>I'll give you an example; on here (and I can't remember whether it was a review or not) someone mentioned that the Sebo Felix gave poor carpet performance. Not in my home! If I go over the whole carpet with the Felix and then a bagless vacuum with no dirt in the bin, hardly any other dirt comes to the surface which the cyclonic system produces. This isn't a lab test but purely one that's done by me. <BR><BR>Similarly I got a surprise when I did the same testing with a claimed "best performance" Panasonic bagged upright and the bagless test- the cyclonic vac produced a lot more dirt after the Panasonic had gone over the same carpet.
Here's a good video with a Dyson in it!
http://fwd.five.tv/videos/jon-tests-vacuum-cleaners
Hi vacmanuk:
If I recall correctly, SEBO's felix was not given a poor rating for rug performance by Consumer Reports. But I'd have to verify and confirm with certainty. Carmine D.
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