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DysonInventsBig
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Reply #38 Jun 15, 2009 3:26 pm |
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iMacDaddy,
Thank you for the review, pics and video!
Viewing your movie in slow-mo (@ counter 00:42 - 00:46) it looks like the floating head actually raised up (not pushed down) from the carpeting. Although this could be do to the brushroll tuffs pushing against the mid/high pile carpeting when the vac is set to a low-pile setting.
Q: Is the “Airmuscle” pushing (downward) or pulling the nozzle upward when vacuuming your mid/deep pile carpeting?
Thanks,
DIB Hi DIB,
I view the nozzle lifting up as a result of the brush roller pushing down on the carpet, lifting up the floor nozzle as a result. I like using the "Deep pile" lowest brush roll setting because I feel it delivers the best results for deep cleaning, even though I should probably be using the medium, and even low pile settings for some of the carpets in my household (actually my parents household until I go to college this fall). Despite the visible lifting, the Airmuscle piston is actually pulling the nozzle inward, which in effect tightens the nozzles contact with the surface. At first I was curious to see if the piston was actually working at first, since I could not feel the nozzle being pushed into the floor, so I place the maching on a table with the floor nozzle off the edge as I turned the machine on. As I had it running, I gently kept the nozzle lifted, and as I went from the Bare floor to the Low, Medium, and Deep pile settings, the piston actually did pull in the floor nozzle with considerable amounts of tension. So now I know that it does indeed function. I also tried the same test without the clear bin attached (meaning no airflow carried to the floor nozzle), and the air piston did not work, concluding that it draws the pressure from the main airflow, and not from some internal air compressor like I originally theorized.
I also had a little accidental run-in with a sock today that allowed me to see how the clutch would function during an obstruction, and it is not loud and irate like the clutch in a DC07 or DC14. I didn't even know I ran over the sock until I had noticed the brushroll stopped rotating. Then I looked over and saw a bright LED flashing from within the translucent red power button. After that, I turned off the machine for a few seconds, removed the sock, and then turned it back on, and the brush roll was rotating as normal. Shortly after that, I ran into some loose thick carpeting that was not propertly tacked down into the floor (think of trying to vacuum a bathroom rug), and once again, the clutch activated, with the light flashing again. Doing what I did before, I turned off the machine, and turned it back on, with the brush roll running again. The main observation that I gathered from these little mishaps is that the clutch does not emit any loud clicking/ratcheting noises that can be intensely irritating (for me anyway), like with the old DC07 and DC14. It just stops the brush as an electric motor would with a shut off function. iMacDaddy, Your video shows the nozzle lifting off the carpeting on most of your close-ups - when the brushroll is turned on (and in the recline position)... this is why I concluded the nozzle was lifting and not pushing into carpeting. A 3rd look at your video - I could see one time where the nozzle looked like it was pushed into the carpeting.... I gotta say, I’m disappointed with pushing into carpeting strategy vice lifting carpeting to beat, sweep and suction. The heavy feel/hard to push feel you and others describe about the vacuum is most likely due to the Airmuscle grip. My DC21’s nozzle is brutal to push/pull/turn on my berber carpeting do the the vacs suction grip, weight of the power nozzle and a handle with little leverage (CR comment of the hard/heavy feel too). While I am pleased at the amount of pick-up this vacuum achieves, I am disappointed hearing of the heavy/hard to push feel and the sand in the pre-filter. Thanks, DIB
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Muckytuck
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Reply #39 Jun 21, 2009 9:17 am |
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As usual for dyson his inventions mean nothing to the vacuum cleaner buying public, no benefits at all to the buyer,just an excuse to keep the r@d money flowing,
You guys talk about everything that means nothing to the consumer,sounds like research lab mumbo jumbo, when is dyson going to learn that a vacuum cleaner is a device for picking up dirt and filth from carpets and flooring? And that as long as the dirt comes out of the carpet the public really doesnt care how,
How much does this piece of artwork cost ? 3 or 4 thousand?
I see the famous dyson cyclone system cant keep up with an industry standard brush system,Oh no what do we do now,retards
regards
MOLE Hey Mole, You can all ways tell a person that has never used a product. Go and get a Dyson and try it on your floors and then you will see that picking up dirt and filth from carpets is what a Dyson is all about. Everyone I know who has a Dyson were shocked at the amount of dirt they get out of their carpets. The other beauty of the Dyson is there are no bags to buy and no filters to buy. I don't have to rush out and look for bags that the manufacturer may not even make any more, (this normally happens every 5 years) I don't have to worry about filters clogging. Dyson is the only vacuum cleaner that I have had that does pick up all of the dirt and filth and if you pick up a spoder, you don't have to worry about it crawling down the wand, a Dyson actually kills spiders, no other vacuum does. And as for the cost, how many cheap machines have you bought, how long have they lasted and what sort of job do they do. The only way to find out about how good your vacuum is, is to try a Dyson. A Dyson lasts for years. I have had mine for 13 years now. Don't knock something until you have tried it. regards Muckytuck
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DysonInventsBig
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Reply #40 Jun 21, 2009 11:14 am |
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As usual for dyson his inventions mean nothing to the vacuum cleaner buying public, no benefits at all to the buyer,just an excuse to keep the r@d money flowing,
You guys talk about everything that means nothing to the consumer,sounds like research lab mumbo jumbo, when is dyson going to learn that a vacuum cleaner is a device for picking up dirt and filth from carpets and flooring? And that as long as the dirt comes out of the carpet the public really doesnt care how,
How much does this piece of artwork cost ? 3 or 4 thousand?
I see the famous dyson cyclone system cant keep up with an industry standard brush system,Oh no what do we do now,retards
regards
MOLE Hey Mole, You can all ways tell a person that has never used a product. Go and get a Dyson and try it on your floors and then you will see that picking up dirt and filth from carpets is what a Dyson is all about. Everyone I know who has a Dyson were shocked at the amount of dirt they get out of their carpets. The other beauty of the Dyson is there are no bags to buy and no filters to buy. I don't have to rush out and look for bags that the manufacturer may not even make any more, (this normally happens every 5 years) I don't have to worry about filters clogging. Dyson is the only vacuum cleaner that I have had that does pick up all of the dirt and filth and if you pick up a spoder, you don't have to worry about it crawling down the wand, a Dyson actually kills spiders, no other vacuum does. And as for the cost, how many cheap machines have you bought, how long have they lasted and what sort of job do they do. The only way to find out about how good your vacuum is, is to try a Dyson. A Dyson lasts for years. I have had mine for 13 years now. Don't knock something until you have tried it. regards Muckytuck Muckytuck, Welcome to this forum. Be forewarned... Mole is a long time vac independent dealer, who knows his stuff, but hates and bad-mouths Dyson and can do some name calling of us too (I think it’s funny, if it does not go to far). I’ve learned to debate and even argue with he, Carmine and Venson and some others. Odd as it may be, I find it fun. Personally, I like to see how many ways bad-mouthing of Dyson independent dealers expose the tricks of their trade.... the so-called side-by-side Dyson versus their high margin (profit for the independent), antiquated function, built with off-the-shelf-parts, sack-n-choke filtered vacuums. Lots of vac info shared amongst posters here too. Although the Dyson story and how he and his team invent product in an industry that believes (the manufacturers believe) the vacuum had peaked and run out of innovations and/or wanted to keep folks slaved to purchasing bags their entire lives. What Dyson model do you have? Primarily, the closest “old” Dyson’s we have here in the U.S. are Fantom vacuums. If you do not already know... James Dyson licensed his technologies and developed the Fantom vacuum dual cyclone/s for a Canadian company named IONA. DIB
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Reply #41 Jun 21, 2009 1:03 pm |
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Hey Mole, You can all ways tell a person that has never used a product. Go and get a Dyson and try it on your floors and then you will see that picking up dirt and filth from carpets is what a Dyson is all about. Everyone I know who has a Dyson were shocked at the amount of dirt they get out of their carpets. The other beauty of the Dyson is there are no bags to buy and no filters to buy. I don't have to rush out and look for bags that the manufacturer may not even make any more, (this normally happens every 5 years) I don't have to worry about filters clogging. Dyson is the only vacuum cleaner that I have had that does pick up all of the dirt and filth and if you pick up a spoder, you don't have to worry about it crawling down the wand, a Dyson actually kills spiders, no other vacuum does. And as for the cost, how many cheap machines have you bought, how long have they lasted and what sort of job do they do. The only way to find out about how good your vacuum is, is to try a Dyson. A Dyson lasts for years. I have had mine for 13 years now. Don't knock something until you have tried it. regards Muckytuck
Hi and welcome to the forum, Would you like to tell us what you did before you started working for dyson??????????
regards MOLE
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CarmineD
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Reply #42 Jun 21, 2009 2:04 pm |
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Muckytuck,
Welcome to this forum.
Be forewarned... Mole is a long time vac independent dealer, who knows his stuff, but hates and bad-mouths Dyson and can do some name calling of us too (I think it’s funny, if it does not go to far). I’ve learned to debate and even argue with he, Carmine and Venson and some others. Odd as it may be, I find it fun. Personally, I like to see how many ways bad-mouthing of Dyson independent dealers expose the tricks of their trade.... the so-called side-by-side Dyson versus their high margin (profit for the independent), antiquated function, built with off-the-shelf-parts, sack-n-choke filtered vacuums.
Lots of vac info shared amongst posters here too. Although the Dyson story and how he and his team invent product in an industry that believes (the manufacturers believe) the vacuum had peaked and run out of innovations and/or wanted to keep folks slaved to purchasing bags their entire lives.
What Dyson model do you have? Primarily, the closest “old” Dyson’s we have here in the U.S. are Fantom vacuums. If you do not already know... James Dyson licensed his technologies and developed the Fantom vacuum dual cyclone/s for a Canadian company named IONA.
DIB
Hello DIB:
What you don't realize is that the vacuum store owners and operators get dysons in for repair bot under and out of warranty. I mentioned here recently [and for the benefit of new posters again] that I visited an authorized dyson dealer for North Las Vegas recently. In the store there were 6 dysons with clutch problems awaiting okay's from the customers to repair either DC07 and/or DC14 models. I don't know how many of the owners agreed to the repairs which were for clutches, belt and brush bar run $100-$135 depending on the dealer. I also mentioned that the store sold several new DC25 ball models and had them returned in several months with bad motor wiring harnesses. The dyson dealer decided he would no longer sell a DC25 ball until dyson corrected the problem on the new models. I'll mentioned again that another dyson dealer offered me a full time position to repair/refurb dysons. Seems many come in and are repaired but the customers do not claim. The store owner, a Church member of the same church as my daughter and son-in-law, asked me several times if I'm interested in the dyson work. I've turned him down each time. His store, back room and front, are filled with dysons in need of repairs, both in and out of warranty. Carmine D.
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Reply #43 Jun 21, 2009 2:19 pm |
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Hi Carmine, its not that the clutch itself is bad, its the belts that ride on the clutch plate itself, dyson did a lot of R@D on what to use the clutch in but never took into consideration that the belts themselves were the problem[btw these can be fixed] i have taken the clutch apart and put in new belts, Now do you know why the dc17 used a geared tooth belt on the aggresive brush? you know the machine that ate peoples carpets,They just seem to be at a loss in what type of brush and belt system to use, They should take a lesson from what panasonic did in the late 80s early 90s, the mc series uprights were always at the top of the pack as far as reliability and performance. regards MOLE |
CarmineD
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Reply #44 Jun 21, 2009 3:26 pm |
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Hi Carmine, its not that the clutch itself is bad, its the belts that ride on the clutch plate itself, dyson did a lot of R@D on what to use the clutch in but never took into consideration that the belts themselves were the problem[btw these can be fixed] i have taken the clutch apart and put in new belts, Now do you know why the dc17 used a geared tooth belt on the aggresive brush? you know the machine that ate peoples carpets,They just seem to be at a loss in what type of brush and belt system to use, They should take a lesson from what panasonic did in the late 80s early 90s, the mc series uprights were always at the top of the pack as far as reliability and performance. regards MOLE
Hello MOLE: Now add to the already expensive dyson customers' repairs a "pneumatic actuator" "high torque clutch" [rather than just the old run of the mill dyson clutch] and a "powered cam" on dyson's latest DC28. Lot's of luck. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Reply #45 Jun 22, 2009 7:25 am |
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Hi Carmine, its not that the clutch itself is bad, its the belts that ride on the clutch plate itself, dyson did a lot of R@D on what to use the clutch in but never took into consideration that the belts themselves were the problem[btw these can be fixed] i have taken the clutch apart and put in new belts, Now do you know why the dc17 used a geared tooth belt on the aggresive brush? you know the machine that ate peoples carpets, They just seem to be at a loss in what type of brush and belt system to use, They should take a lesson from what panasonic did in the late 80s early 90s, the mc series uprights were always at the top of the pack as far as reliability and performance. regards MOLE
Hi MOLE:
I understand dyson's DC28 is at the local BEST BUY. $599. After I stop off at the ORECK store, I'll drop by BEST BUY and check out the latest dyson upright. Wondering if the belt on this latest dyson is a customer repair or, like the old run of the mill dyson cluthes, a dealer required repair. Consumer Reports hasn't yet picked up to the dyson belt replacement/repairs in the clutch models for its rankings/ratings. Carmine D.
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Reply #46 Jun 22, 2009 8:57 am |
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Hi MOLE: I understand dyson's DC28 is at the local BEST BUY. $599. After I stop off at the ORECK store, I'll drop by BEST BUY and check out the latest dyson upright. Carmine D.
Almost 6 beans for a department store dyson, Whats the real price? I quess its a good thing though when a customer is looking at machines in that price range they start looking at the indys offerings.
Speaking of which why have not the indys enbraced the dc28 with open arms considering that those wicked,no ethics,scammers are strickly profit motivated?? MOLE
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