Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Did anyone notice that the DC11 is back on some of the Dyson websites... Here's one that I thought was gone forever...

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:  I take the credit for being the first here to say that dyson's DC11 would be off the BEST BUY store shelves by October 2004 and I was right.  Subsequently, dyson pulled its DC11 from the USA market officially in Feb 2005 tho by that time they were essentially gone and forgotten.  I also said based on its 9 month production [launched in the USA in May 2004] in the USA, dyson's DC11 was the shortest selling vacuum ever produced and sold in the USA in 100 years of vacuum history [and still].  

A vacuum may be for sale in other markets and countries but still not sell.  The two [being for sale vice selling] are two quite different and distinct things.  If you have sales numbers to prove your statement that they are selling, please share them with us.  I would like to know what countries [other the UK] and customers are willing to buy a $500 straight suction cleaner with a air turbo tool in a global recession [other than a MIELE]. 

Carmine D.

Hello Carmine,

The DC11 is built on exclusive only to Dyson technology (at that time), multi-cyclonic’s.  Additionally many wanted and still want his Telescopic Wrap.  These 2 systems have contributed to his companies wealth.  The weakest link was the turbo brush...  a U.S. train wreck no doubt.  Your anti-Dyson contributions make it/could make it sound like new technology they’ve developed and launch was a failure.  There was no such failure.

I do not have these numbers you ask for.  Common sense says the vacuum was selling/continues to sell only because the vac has been for sale for many years in other countries.  If you did your homework you would know.  If it was a universal disaster as you imply, then why would it be for sale for years?  The DC11 was/is a money maker in other countries.

Of your Dyson shortest production run in the vacuums 100 year history...  pure comedy...  I love it!!!  Certainly, if Dyson felt he could do no wrong (believing all product will sell well), having this embarrassing and costly (turbo nozzle) failure was an expensive lesson for certain.  So...  you claim in 100 years of vacuum history ONLY Dyson has such a short production run...  there is no way you can back this up.  Although I’d like to see you try.

Somehow, someway you cannot except it is a Dyson or Dyson copy-cat vacuum industry (roughly 50%) now.  Have you seen the TTI VAX UK web site?  Their front page is plastered with Dyson innovations, Dyson illustrations and Dyson terminology, including the double tank Dyson DC11 styled cylinder and Dyson dual cyclone.  Like I’ve said...  Dyson carries the entire “innovating big things people want and want to buy” vacuum manufacturing industry.  Giants and much bigger companies like Samsung, TTI, Hoover UK, and on and on are lost without Dyson leading the way.

At the rate Samsung is patenting... they look to be launching Dyson copy-cat vacuums in a big way, including a in-function copy of the "a less expensive" DC18 (if they can get it to work).

http://www.vax.co.uk/

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

WRT dyson's original ball DC15, within one month of its launch in the USA, I was the first here to post that BEST BUY stores would reduce its MSRP by at least $50 by the end of the year.  You recall a DC15's All Floor original price was $599.  Many of the posters here with dyson rosy glasses laughed at my post.   Except Venson.  He agreed.  Well, I was wrong, dyson dropped the MSRP by $100 in September 2005, within 3 months of its launch. 

The BEST BUY store that is the largest seller of dyson vacuums on the east coast says the dyson DC15 is [was] its worse seller after dyson's DC11, which had the highest return rate of all its vacuums.  Consumer Reports consistently rated a dyson DC15 ball as the worse of all dyson uprights.  That is up until DC24 baby ball model, which now has the infamous ranking of the worse of all CR's dyson ratings.  As I recall, you boasted paying only $300 for your DC15 ball from BEST BUY, well under the MSRP.  The only way BB could sell them.

Carmine D.

Carmine,

The DC15’s Ball technology is genius and a huge money maker and is being copied (although not nearly as good) by some of the worlds biggest.  The DC15‘s weight, the heavy feel when turning, the intentional air-leak/suction killer in the nozzle - (designed to prevent a strong grip - so easier to turn), and the price point, look like they were not as excepted as hoped.  Although many love the DC15 and post their praises on HSN and many other review sites.

Dyson’s experimenting and turning these experiments into product have proven to be money makers.  Even the Model-T of vacuum manufacturers, that is...  Oreck, played around with a steerable upright, although only somewhat-steerable.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

Dyson's inability to equip its very first canister model in the USA, a $500 DC11, with an adequate rug nozzle for US carpets is as you say  " a train wreck. "   Logically speaking, removing the rose colored dyson glasses, train wrecks, whether waiting to happen or after the fact, are best described as huge failures.  You're left with an out of the pocket expenditure of $500 and useless meaningless words.  I'd say the latter is the reason for a 9 month product life, the shortest in US vacuum history.

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:
You were also the first (and likely only) to post that several Hoovers would be the demise of Dyson.  I was the first to tell you that you were wrong.  I was right.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hi HS:

In case you missed it, I have ONE ally which I strategically predicted here in January 2009 would agree with me: Consumer Reports.  HOOVER received 7 of the top 20 upright winners per CR, including spots 1, 3, 5, 8, 15, 18 and 20.   Your favorite brand got 13 and 19.  That's a death/funeral knell.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote: I hear the wind blowing again.

HARDSELL wrote:

Must be the Holy Spirit coming to welcome home your favorite vacuum brand!  

Carmine D.

Sorry guys I MUST concur here. Its simply not enough to rely on statistics, believing ALL the hype that consumer reports do = after all Im sure some of you have vacuums that have been slated in the past and yet they give you sterling service. Granted, some statistics are worth relying on but they don't create a whole picture. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I'll give you an example; on here (and I can't remember whether it was a review or not) someone mentioned that the Sebo Felix gave poor carpet performance. Not in my home! If I go over the whole carpet with the Felix and then a bagless vacuum with no dirt in the bin, hardly any other dirt comes to the surface which the cyclonic system produces. This isn't a lab test but purely one that's done by me. <BR><BR>Similarly I got a surprise when I did the same testing with a claimed "best performance" Panasonic bagged upright and the bagless test- the cyclonic vac produced a lot more dirt after the Panasonic had gone over the same carpet.

Here's a good video with a Dyson in it!

http://fwd.five.tv/videos/jon-tests-vacuum-cleaners