Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

You are the brainwashed one.  I know how you must hate to tell us why Hoover went belly up.

Dyson did it to them.  You know.  The manufacturer that introduced numerous models in an attempt to stay afloat. Each time a new model was introduced (about every 30 days) you predicted that it would be the demise of Dyson.  You also said that VAX and others were stealing sales at BB and that Dyson was doomed.  I still see the bid D in all stores as I have for years.

Dyson is not the only manufacturer to suffer in these poor economic conditions, however, they survived the good times which can't be said for Hoover.

I will now respond to your follow up in advance of reading it.  Hoover is not alive and well.  Only the name remains. It ain't Hoover that you hawked for years. 

You speak of niche vacuums.  What the heck is Oreck?  An electric broom favored by the weak and elderly. Also recall that each time a fault is found you try to dismiss the fault because it is not a full sized vacuum.  That makes it a wannabe and alnost toy like.  Maybe that is why it can't handle baking soda.

Dyson kicked you in the peanuts as a consultant and then kicked your recommended brand.  No wonder you hate them so badly. 

Maybe you and hoover should have worn a cup.  Oh, I almost forgot.  You and hoover did not have cups back then, only bags.

I answered both your questions several times.  You don't accept/understand my answers.  Why?  You're brainwashed by your favorite company's dyson bagless bin propaganda. 

Propaganda is a matter of fact.  It's documented by dyson's legacy in the USA.  The idiosy of a clutch.  Sub par, sub standard brush roll.  Floating head farce.  DC07's use of an old inexpensive one fan Panasonic motor.  Used simultaneously in Pano's cheapest upright for $60.   Dyson mantra: Doesn't loose suction, doesn't clog.  Ball technology is laughable nonsense in the vacuum industry.

Dyson has to recreate itself as a niche vacuum seller [strictly high priced bagless].  Divest itself of all non-vacuum products. Downsize markets and employees.  Retrench by cutting irrelevant and unprofitable R & D on products that lose money in the market place or like the DDM DC22 never sell in all markets..   Else like its falling vacuum market share in the UK, risk inevitable extinction and obsolescense.

Carmine D.

You can't compare dyson to ORECK as niche sellers.  Why?  ORECKS are sold primarily through a network of ORECK stores nationwide.  By last count over 500.  Opening more all the time, despite the economy.  And also sold through independent vacuum stores.   Dyson'ssales venue has always been primarily big box store retailers.  Big box retailers are another dying breed in the current economic tsunami:  i.e. Circuit City, Linens-N-Things.  Who knows which others bellying up in the months to come.

A note on an unrelated industry but a product of teh times: FAO Schwartz [100 year history as a niche toy seller of high end quality toys like Steiff stuff animals] bought out by Toys R US, a main stream toy seller.  KB toys went belly up even before the Christmas 2008 Season.  

Carmine D.

Hello M00seUK:

Interestingly, the latest HOME SHOW currently being held in Las Vegas features these 'kitchen cubes' and is attracting alot of consumer interest.   Most of them too have been designed by students which adds to the attraction.

I agree with your assessment and opinions of the dyson contra rotating washer.  Not dyson's finest hour as a product invention and/or business venture.

Carmine D.

Actually I have to agree that Dyson and Oreck should not be compared as niche vacs. Although you are calling the wrong one a niche vac.

Oreck does not qualify as a full sized industry standard vac.  Dyson does. 

Oreck brush can't be turned off.  Dyson can.

Oreck includes a gimmick gift so that they can justify a high price for obsolete technology with cheap parts. Dyson does not.

Orecks strong point is being light weight and is marketed to the elderly and weaker users.  Dyson is marketed to all users.

Oreck is sold only through exclusively Oreck stores (BIG NICHE). Dyson is not.

I could go on with reasons to show Oreck as a niche and Dyson as a standard, however, you should get the point.

BTW, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO CONTINUES TO MAKE ALL THE COMPARISONS IN AN ATTEMPT TO TWIST THE TRUTH ABOUT A SIMPLE QUESTION THAT I ASKED.

A lot of twisted BS to avoid answering my simple question.

Hoover gained double digit market share in the extraction market.

Guess Dyson is copying Hoover...again.

What are the market share values for Dyson Hoover and Oreck?