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Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Original Message   Jan 17, 2008 3:54 pm
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CarmineD


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #476   May 26, 2009 6:41 pm
The fault is not Argos and/or the retailers and/or the VDTA [as in the dyson DM 22].  It's dyson. 

Dyson is confused, bewildered, befuddled and uncertain what actions to take.  What models, where to market, and for how much.  Typical for a novice company in bad times especially in unfamiliar retail markets with cultural differences from the UK.  In dyson's case, a company solely owned by the founder, an engineer/designer with no business experience, who controls the Board of Directors' every move and decision. 

The problem is dyson, thanks to its founder, markets products that are pushed on an unwanting public at prices that are too high for the market to bear.  Especially in big box stores, its primary sales venue.  Dyson has arrived at a crossroads.  It's losing new vacuum market share in dollars and units to virtually all the other big box and indy stores' brands.  It doesn't know what to do to reverse the trend.  Welcome to the real world of sales Sir James.  Titles don't mean a thing.    

Carmine D.  

DC18


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #477   May 26, 2009 7:20 pm
Thanks Model2 for your comments, interesting. Be interesting to know why the long wait for the DC27! Hopefully next month from what the Helpline told me! I've been waiting to go and see this new model in the shops, even though it's an updated version of the DC14!

DC18
HARDSELL


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #478   May 26, 2009 8:37 pm
CarmineD wrote:
The fault is not Argos and/or the retailers and/or the VDTA [as in the dyson DM 22].  It's dyson. 

Dyson is confused, bewildered, befuddled and uncertain what actions to take.  What models, where to market, and for how much.  Typical for a novice company in bad times especially in unfamiliar retail markets with cultural differences from the UK.  In dyson's case, a company solely owned by the founder, an engineer/designer with no business experience, who controls the Board of Directors' every move and decision. 

The problem is dyson, thanks to its founder, markets products that are pushed on an unwanting public at prices that are too high for the market to bear.  Especially in big box stores, its primary sales venue.  Dyson has arrived at a crossroads.  It's losing new vacuum market share in dollars and units to virtually all the other big box and indy stores' brands.  It doesn't know what to do to reverse the trend.  Welcome to the real world of sales Sir James.  Titles don't mean a thing.    

Carmine D.  


I'll say it again.  Dyson is following Hoover's footsteps.  Keep introducing new models that are inferior to the previous ones.  At least Dyson phases the old models out.  Hoover simply changed model # or name and called it new.  With exception of some morons purchases sales dropped and they are history.
CarmineD


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #479   May 26, 2009 9:03 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
I'll say it again.  Dyson is following Hoover's footsteps.  Keep introducing new models that are inferior to the previous ones.  At least Dyson phases the old models out.  Hoover simply changed model # or name and called it new.  With exception of some morons purchases sales dropped and they are history.


Still wrong HS.  Don't compare HOOVER to your favorite brand as an excuse for dyson's shortcomings.  Dyson is solely owned and operated by Sir James.  He's at fault fof the problems with too many models that confuse the consumers.  The fault was never HOOVER it was MAYTAG management.   Despite the priority that MAYTAG always gave to its homegrown washers and driers, at the expense of vacuums, HOOVER held its own.  HOOVER's models and brand name triumph over many others over the years and still.  HOOVER, even under MAYTAG's poor tutelage, consistently beat out your favorite brand in the Consumer Reports ranks and ratings.  And HOOVER still does beat your brand in performance and sales. 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #480   May 27, 2009 5:03 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
I'll say it again.  Dyson is following Hoover's footsteps.  Keep introducing new models that are inferior to the previous ones.  At least Dyson phases the old models out.  Hoover simply changed model # or name and called it new.  With exception of some morons purchases sales dropped and they are history.

CarmineD wrote:
Still wrong HS.  Don't compare HOOVER to your favorite brand as an excuse for dyson's shortcomings.  Dyson is solely owned and operated by Sir James.  He's at fault fof the problems with too many models that confuse the consumers.  The fault was never HOOVER it was MAYTAG management.   Despite the priority that MAYTAG always gave to its homegrown washers and driers, at the expense of vacuums, HOOVER held its own.  HOOVER's models and brand name triumph over many others over the years and still.  HOOVER, even under MAYTAG's poor tutelage, consistently beat out your favorite brand in the Consumer Reports ranks and ratings.  And HOOVER still does beat your brand in performance and sales. 

Carmine D.


What’s confusing about Dyson.com's 2 steerable’s and 3 standard upright, 1 canister lineup? 

Buy contrast, Hoover.com has 30 uprights and 8 canisters.


DIB


CarmineD


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #481   May 27, 2009 6:08 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
What’s confusing about Dyson.com's 2 steerable’s and 3 standard upright, 1 canister lineup? 

Buy contrast, Hoover.com has 30 uprights and 8 canisters.


DIB



DIB:

HOOVER is a mainstream seller.  Always has been.  It's understandable to have a full and complete product line.  Dyson is a niche vacuum which can't sell to mainstream America thru big box stores in bad economic times.  Dyson lost market share in 2007 and 2008 to all the brands that it competes with in the big box stores.   Same for 2009, dyson sales are tanking in all the major retailers so far this year.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #482   May 27, 2009 7:05 pm
CarmineD wrote:
DIB:

HOOVER is a mainstream seller.  Always has been.  It's understandable to have a full and complete product line.  Dyson is a niche vacuum which can't sell to mainstream America thru big box stores in bad economic times.  Dyson lost market share in 2007 and 2008 to all the brands that it competes with in the big box stores.   Same for 2009, dyson sales are tanking in all the major retailers so far this year.

Carmine D.


If Hoover sales was so great why did they go belly up?
CarmineD


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #483   May 27, 2009 7:20 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
If Hoover sales was so great why did they go belly up?


Somebody has to sure up your favorite brand, which is tanking fast.  BTW, HARDSELL if your peruse the BH financials, you note that the Oracle of Omaha has an investment interest in TTI, the parent of HOOVER.  Yet another laugh at your expense!

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #484   May 27, 2009 9:56 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Somebody has to sure up your favorite brand, which is tanking fast.  BTW, HARDSELL if your peruse the BH financials, you note that the Oracle of Omaha has an investment interest in TTI, the parent of HOOVER.  Yet another laugh at your expense!

Carmine D.



Another laugh on you Carmine.  You sould not answer the question so you try to twist out of it.

Why didn't he buy Hoover when it was failing? Maybe he knew better than you that Hoover was doomed.

Now, can you answer the original question.  I think not.

CarmineD


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #485   May 28, 2009 6:29 am
HARDSELL wrote:
Another laugh on you Carmine.  You sould not answer the question so you try to twist out of it.

Why didn't he buy Hoover when it was failing? Maybe he knew better than you that Hoover was doomed.

Now, can you answer the original question.  I think not.


Wrong again, HS.  It's getting to be habit forming with you.  He did you one better.  Buffett watched the TTI HOOVER WP deal crystalize, and others too, then invested in TTI.  Smart money man.  Get's more for his investment.  In an economic tsunami like this one, you don't want to put all your eggs in one basket.  You want to diversify your investments.  Like RC Willey, Buffett's latest purchase.  A retailer.  Best in the west.  Appliances, rug and floor coverings, electronics, furniture.  One stop shop!  Did I mention which vacuum RC Willey gifts with a purchase of $1000 in rugs?  No?  Forgot?  HOOVER TEMPO.  HOOVER even made a special edition just for RC Willey and this purpose.  Are you beginning to connect the dots? 

Maybe you should take notes, so you can go back over and review from time to time to refresh your memory!

Carmine D.

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