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iMacDaddy


Electrolux UltraOne EL7070, Bissell BigGreen Deep Cleaning Machine

Joined: Oct 30, 2007
Points: 110

Dyson DC22
Original Message   Oct 30, 2007 9:38 am
The Dyson DC22 canister was very recently introduced in Japan. I have heard that this will make it to the US market in order to expand their canister range.

Key Features:

-Root Cyclone with Core Separation
-Dyson Digital Motor
-Stowaway Design
-Motorhead
-Pre filter rinse once every seven years

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Acerone


Joined: Jul 25, 2007
Points: 986

Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #87   May 15, 2009 10:51 am
As someone has already reported... The DC22 has been removed from Dyson.com website...
Acerone


Joined: Jul 25, 2007
Points: 986

Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #88   Jun 26, 2009 11:39 am
It's now back on the website along with the Animal model...
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #89   Jun 26, 2009 1:39 pm
Acerone wrote:
It's now back on the website along with the Animal model...


Thanks Ace. 

Anyone know the reason that the air watts on dyson's DC23 is 220 for USA model and 251 [constant] for UK model? 

Recently I noted dyson's DC19 T2 on the UK cite was 280 air watts.  DC22 for USA shows 230 air watts. 

DC11 was 275 air watts. 

Very confusing air watt numbers for these dyson canister models.

Carmine D.

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Trilobite


Joined: Nov 7, 2007
Points: 121

Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #90   Jun 26, 2009 2:13 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Thanks Ace. 

Anyone know the reason that the air watts on dyson's DC23 is 220 for USA model and 251 [constant] for UK model? 

Recently I noted dyson's DC19 T2 on the UK cite was 280 air watts.  DC22 for USA shows 230 air watts. 

DC11 was 275 air watts. 

Very confusing air watt numbers for these dyson canister models.

Carmine D.



Agreed.

More so when I'm sure I read years ago, that the 'all singing, all dancing' Dyson Digital Motor was supposed to generate one third MORE suction power than existing motors. Clearly the motor is incapable of such a feat, for if it had, the US DC22 would surely be around the 300 air Watts mark.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #91   Jun 27, 2009 8:07 am
Trilobite wrote:
Agreed.

More so when I'm sure I read years ago, that the 'all singing, all dancing' Dyson Digital Motor was supposed to generate one third MORE suction power than existing motors. Clearly the motor is incapable of such a feat, for if it had, the US DC22 would surely be around the 300 air Watts mark.



The dyson claim appears to have evolved to mean energy efficiency [as in less power usage?] as opposed to air watts [suction power]?  I have to wonder if the dyson digital motor will be to the vacuum industry what the Chevy Vega aluminum block engine was to the automobile industry.  A nice try but no cigar.

Carmine D.

The Dyson digital motor

“It’s incredible that electric motors have changed so little since they were first invented, 180 years ago.

Dyson engineers have done away with outdated, energy-hungry components. Ten years in the making, our digital motors are faster, more power-efficient and much cleaner.”

James Dyson<br /> Inventor of Cyclone technology

retardturtle1


Joined: May 16, 2009
Points: 358

Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #92   Jun 27, 2009 8:42 am
CarmineD wrote:
The dyson claim appears to have evolved to mean energy efficiency [as in less power usage?] as opposed to air watts [suction power]?  I have to wonder if the dyson digital motor will be to the vacuum industry what the Chevy Vega aluminum block engine was to the automobile industry.  A nice try but no cigar.

Carmine D.

The Dyson digital motor

“It’s incredible that electric motors have changed so little since they were first invented, 180 years ago.

Dyson engineers have done away with outdated, energy-hungry components. Ten years in the making, our digital motors are faster, more power-efficient and much cleaner.”

James Dyson<br /> Inventor of Cyclone technology

in reality who really cares about  a power efficient vacuum ....as long as it has great power ..suction. ..high quality hepa filtering , decent noise level..package that and the public will take it, buy it ...reguardless of the amount of energy it uses, the vast majority of the people want pure power...a vacuum that does what its supposed to do....at a decent price......example-a  90$  HOOVER TEMPO will hang with or out do any DYSON ..all day long..everytime.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #93   Jun 27, 2009 9:00 am
retardturtle1 wrote:
in reality who really cares about  a power efficient vacuum ....as long as it has great power ..suction. ..high quality hepa filtering , decent noise level..package that and the public will take it, buy it ...reguardless of the amount of energy it uses, the vast majority of the people want pure power...a vacuum that does what its supposed to do....at a decent price......example-a  90$  HOOVER TEMPO will hang with or out do any DYSON ..all day long..everytime.


Hi "turtle1"

Conspicuously absent from the latest dyson claim about its digital motor is comparable suction power to the traditional industry armature/brush motor.  

To truly be worthy of the premium price paid, dyson's motor claim has to include this equality not just in words but in actions. 

Vacuum consumers will sacrifice energy efficiency and cleaner exhaust for more suction power at a lower price.  

This appears true for vehicles too.  Hybrids are generally viewed as not worth the premium over gas cars.

Carmine D.

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retardturtle1


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Points: 358

Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #94   Jun 27, 2009 4:14 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hi "turtle1"

Conspicuously absent from the latest dyson claim about its digital motor is comparable suction power to the traditional industry armature/brush motor.  

To truly be worthy of the premium price paid, dyson's motor claim has to include this equality not just in words but in actions. 

Vacuum consumers will sacrifice energy efficiency and cleaner exhaust for more suction power at a lower price.  

This appears true for vehicles too.  Hybrids are generally viewed as not worth the premium over gas cars.

Carmine D.

power sells....and from all the hype i among many others thought  or were led to believe by sir james that this was to be the untouchable motor...power far beyond the norm.....10 years and a 90$ tempo shows you how its done....just a little dirtier...soon the comp will take this motor..study it and make it a true powerhouse....thats what has worked for the imports...take it and make it better..the only difference here is dyson foots the bill....and someone else makes it what it should have been in the first place....and then sell it in a unit @ a 1/4 of the price of a dyson......kinda like now.
HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #95   Jun 27, 2009 4:41 pm
retardturtle1 wrote:
power sells....and from all the hype i among many others thought  or were led to believe by sir james that this was to be the untouchable motor...power far beyond the norm.....10 years and a 90$ tempo shows you how its done....just a little dirtier...soon the comp will take this motor..study it and make it a true powerhouse....thats what has worked for the imports...take it and make it better..the only difference here is dyson foots the bill....and someone else makes it what it should have been in the first place....and then sell it in a unit @ a 1/4 of the price of a dyson......kinda like now.


Same thing has happened with vac sales.  Big box stores sell cheaper than indepentents, have what you want in stock, give satisfaction return policy.  You can get an extented waranty that will get the vac replaced if problem is serious.  Or you can take to an indy for warranty repairs.  BUY AT THE BIG BOX STORES.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #96   Jun 27, 2009 6:57 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
Same thing has happened with vac sales.  Big box stores sell cheaper than indepentents, have what you want in stock, give satisfaction return policy.  You can get an extented waranty that will get the vac replaced if problem is serious.  Or you can take to an indy for warranty repairs.  BUY AT THE BIG BOX STORES.


A very common but false perception about the convenience of big box store vacuum purchases.  It ends when the product is faulty after the 30 day customer return period.

The truth is that big box stores sell "cheaper" quality vacuums than the independent vacuum stores. 

Given the chance, independent vacuum store owners and operators will match or beat the prices of big box store brand vacuums.  And offer better quality vacuum products than the big box stores.

Big box stores only sell.  Customers have to take their new vacuum purchases, inside of warranty, to an authorized dealer when the products fail.  It's a crap shoot.  Big box stores sell product replacement plans if customers want to shell out more money at time of purchase.   A money maker for big box stores just as most extended warranties. 

Definitely not worth the money.

If the customer can't find a local authorized store willing and/or able to repair the product under warranty, the customer has to ship the vacuum back to the brand maker for resolution.  Oftentimes, paying the hefty costs for shipping and handling up front and left without a vacuum for 2-3 weeks.  Then, hope the right vacuum gets returned............properly repaired.

Carmine D.

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