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DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
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Original Message   May 14, 2009 5:50 pm
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Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
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Reply #84   Aug 5, 2009 3:21 pm
retardturtle1 wrote:
</p><p>HI Venson<BR><BR>I always figured if you sit or lay on your carpet....allow shoes in the house. then this means you need a deep cleaner.  more so if you have kids or pets.</p><p>for lighter duty just raise height a little.....and once a year or less wet/dry clean your carpets.....whatever works best....as my knowledge is limited as to what do it yourself system is best for heavy traffic carpet....

Hi turtle1,

First, vacuum cleaners do not sanitiize. They pick up dirt and litter but do not effectively remove bacteria, etc., save for the Halo claims which I doubt strongly. Deep cleaning for a vacuum is no more than removing grit and dirt that gets worked all the way down into the carpet. Some machines do this better than others.

I have but one friend here who asks that you remove your shoes when you enter his home -- and not for religious purposes. He is diabetic and feels his chances for contracting foot problems will be lessened. This is a very serious issue for folks with the same condition. Is the practice of benefit? I do not know.

Second, you do not adjust a vacuum for "light duty". You simply use it less. Room to room, if you have a variety of carpeting, you determine the proper settings for your upright or canister with power nozzle and use them. That said, as I said prior, if there's not been a lot going on trafficwise in the room your cleaning -- just a couple passes with a good vac is all that called for for there. You simply want to pick up surface dust and keep the rug looking peppy. In a room where there's lot's of activity and stuff being tracked in you obviously want to spend more time because there is more to be dealt with.

As far as sanitizing, the best you can do is have your carpeting thoroughjy cleaned once or twice a year. Use of a vapor steam cleaner periodically between cleanings may be helpful in killing bacteria and dust mites. However, the issue there remains debatable since you can never get them all and both bacteria and dust mites all breed quickly and in volume.

Again, you just need on good vacuum for multi-tasking. Just a little traffic etc. means just a little vacuuming. A lot of traffic, a lot of stuff being tracked in -- vacuum more.

Venson
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894


Reply #85   Aug 5, 2009 5:48 pm

$529.00

Looks like one dealer advertising here has already dropped the price by $70 and offers free same day shipping and no sales tax.

Let the price wars begin.  HSN eat your hearts out.

Carmine D.

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DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
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Reply #86   Aug 5, 2009 9:11 pm
M00seUK wrote:
I personally think the floating head principle works fine for the most part in the UK and similar places that favour short pile carpeting. Dyson's original reasoning is that height adjustments on the cleaning head were rarely used and thus often incorrectly set, so for many people in many situations the floating head idea was a better compromise.

Clearly, in the US they've struggled to get a top rating on deep cleaning ability. The unofficial line appears to be that many of their competitors with better results in the tests achieve this by being over aggressive, causing carpet wear. If you recall on this forum a few years ago, someone posted non-public photos sourced via Dyson that showed carpet damage reprehensive of other  cleaners.

So, the Dyson DC28 is what they're putting forward as the answer... well if you're prepared to pay for it. I suspect the initial goal will be to see if they can get it to the top of the CR tests and similar - that would be a PR victory (of which they're so fond) at the very least.


Hello Moose,

Marrying a full-proof way (the floating nozzle) to a clear bin was genus.  CR can say all it wanted or rate the Dyson as low as it wanted...  it did not matter.  Word of mouth and/or HSN demos sold the vacuum BIG TIME.  IMO, the floating nozzle is less about “not having knobs to fiddle with” and more about insuring debris makes it into the clear bin with ever users.  Insuring the bin filling up with every user was always the goal, AND IT WORKED!


DIB

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CarmineD


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Reply #87   Aug 6, 2009 3:24 am
If dyson sees a floating head on a full size upright as genius then rug height adjustments on vacuums must be the equivalent of a miracle.  No one save a person in a frozen sleep, read mummy, would agree.

Carmine D. 

CarmineD


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Reply #88   Aug 6, 2009 6:16 am
The dirt embedded in a rug, if not removed, overtime is the key element for premature rug wear and damage.  All rug makers will attest to it.  The Carpet and Rug Institute says so too.  A rug can hold its weight in dirt and still look clean.  If that dirt is not removed, the carpet wears out.  Back to the dyson's latest.  It claims to get ouyt the deep down dirt.  Question:  IN comparison to what other brands/models?  Dysons?  Make the claim, prove the claim, and see how many sell for $500-$600.  Make the claim, don't prove the claim, and see how many sell for $500-$600.  With such a claim, dyson MUST seek the approval of the CRI.  As proof.  If not, good luck.  Perhaps the same people DIB talks about buying $300 dyson handhelds will buy dysons with rug adjustments.  Of course if one waits, one/another may be gifted with purchase of the other.  

Carmine D. 

DysonInventsBig


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Reply #89   Aug 6, 2009 10:54 am

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DysonInventsBig


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Reply #90   Aug 6, 2009 10:56 am
CarmineD wrote:
If dyson sees a floating head on a full size upright as genius then rug height adjustments on vacuums must be the equivalent of a miracle.  No one save a person in a frozen sleep, read mummy, would agree.

Carmine D. 


CarmineD wrote:
The dirt embedded in a rug, if not removed, overtime is the key element for premature rug wear and damage.  All rug makers will attest to it.  The Carpet and Rug Institute says so too.  A rug can hold its weight in dirt and still look clean.  If that dirt is not removed, the carpet wears out.  Back to the dyson's latest.  It claims to get ouyt the deep down dirt.  Question:  IN comparison to what other brands/models?  Dysons?  Make the claim, prove the claim, and see how many sell for $500-$600.  Make the claim, don't prove the claim, and see how many sell for $500-$600.  With such a claim, dyson MUST seek the approval of the CRI.  As proof.  If not, good luck.  Perhaps the same people DIB talks about buying $300 dyson handhelds will buy dysons with rug adjustments.  Of course if one waits, one/another may be gifted with purchase of the other.  

Carmine D. 


Carmine,

What percentage of U.S. vacuum users adjust their height adjustments correctly from room to room?  In the past, CR did not explicitly and in bold messaging tell its readers that their carpet cleaning findings are based on having the perfect/near perfect height setting.  Could CR not find print space just under where they claim to be non-bias and just above where they are in need of millions of dollars in "donations." 

I'm not interested in your opinion or you walking up and down the isles at Best Buy or interviewing folks in the Costco parking lot determining if Dyson products have value.  I am interested in studies.  What's the number (percentage)? 


DIB
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CarmineD


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Reply #91   Aug 6, 2009 1:08 pm
DIB:

The nose knows! 

Since Sir James, your leader, added height adjustments to his latest vacuum invention and charges extra for it, I presume he/dyson, if not you, believes rug adjustments are important enough and warranted if one wants to have the benefits of deep clean carpeting. 

If you read my write-up here about dyson's DC28, it might enlighten you as to the reason height adjustments make a difference.  That is if you can comprehend too.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


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Reply #92   Aug 6, 2009 1:14 pm
As to percentages of users, depends.  Sometimes all of them.  Sometimes none of them.  Most times somewhere in between.

The answer to the question, like the question, is irrelevant.  The question, more appropriately SHOULD BE if vacuum users want/need height adjustments for carpet cleaning in their homes, what brands and models have them and for how much.  For example: HOOVER TEMPO offers 5 on for $75-$80.  THe latest from your company offers 4 for $500-$600. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD


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Reply #93   Aug 6, 2009 1:19 pm
To use the same idiocy as you, I can ask the same dumb question in reverse and query:  What percentage do not?   Do you have a study with the answer? 

Of course not.  It's a make believe question with an answer that is unknown and more correctly moot.

Carmine D.

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