Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

DysonInventsBig wrote: Venson wrote:
Hello Venson,

Glad to hear steering has benefits for you too.  Changing directions is a bonus over the 1884 sweeper (vacuuming) way.  FYI, your vacuum sacrifices pick-up for steering and is more Dyson-like than you realize or care to admit.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
How does it sacrifice pick-up?

Venson

Venson wrote:

Ignore his ridiculous remarks.

The UK consumer magazine, "Which?", gave the Miele S7 a glowing report. Excellent pick-up performance over various floor types, and quieter than the Dysons too.

Trilobite wrote:
Hiya Trilobite,

How are you? I know, I know. I only asked because I've been in need of cause for a little humor lately.

Best,

Venson

Venson wrote:

Not bad at all, thank you. How are you, yourself?

How do you find the Miele? Is it easy to manoeuvre? Does it follow a straight line as you push it forward? Does it raise the carpet pile properly, like the old Hoovers did?

Although I don't possess an S7, the thing that appeals to me most is the variable suction control. I don't understand why  the likes of Hoover UK and Electrolux make powerful uprights
that can't have their power turned down for delicate materials. There aren't even any suction / air-bleed regulators. The only other upright that I've recently seen was a
Morphy Richards, but they don't get a good report.

I've been watching the forum for a little while. Some of the humour here is dry to say the least; almost bordering upon the acidic.

Trilobite wrote:
Hi,

I'm pretty good.

In answer to one question, there is some sort of "stop" that keeps the handle straight while the machine is in storage position (totally upright) and as you first lower it. Also, the machine won't lock into storage position unless the handle is standing straight. A good thing as balance would be thrown off.

My S7 does well on both low and high pile carpeting and gives out a reassuring old-time Hoover hum when the brush roll is working. It grooms as well as any good upright I have owned or seen -- including latter Kirby Gs which are my benchmark for thoroughness and effectiveness. The electronic variable suction facility is most helpful as you have about six or so settings to choose from. The only odd thing is that when the machine is set on "automatic" the machine reacts to suction impediment by lowering speed. There is no dust sensor in any of these uprights. That's neither a plus or minus.

To me, maneuverability is quite good. As I mentioned prior, I'm not out to run a slalom course with it but the S7 handles in a most convenient way when you want to get into corners or partway under or around objects you would not usually move during everyday cleaning. There is no wobble when making plain old straight passes. I may have misquoted this in a prior post but a twist of the handle allows you to angle the cleaning head about 45-degrees. A slight swing of the handle will position the head at about 90-degrees with little effort.

I sure Miele has an answer for this but I am used to one thing different. As an instance, my Kenmore bagless canister (the LG clone)has an automatic setting plus a dust sensor. In automatic mode the cleaner runs at a moderate speed and steps up power only when it senses a significant amount of dust in its air stream. Way cool I think though there are other people who prefer to have the machine running at a constant speed.

I totally agree about the lack of potentially helpful features on a lot of machines and wonder how much do manufacturers anticipate as proper remuneration per each convenience they may install on a specific model. Rest assured that money is most likely what the provision or lack of certain conveniences is all about. Nonetheless, this is where I get confused.

Kenmore, not necessarily loved by all but still a highly viable brand sales-wise here in the U.S., slaps conveniences aplenty -- dust sensors, cleaning wands with guide lights, electronically fitted hose-ends, special attachments, etc., on many of its high-end vacuums and until just of late has done that at relatively moderate prices. Other more expensive brands, Miele for one, seem to sell by way of finite dust capture claims and quiet and then subsequently sell the client more "convenience (additional tools, varied dust bag and filter types) as an option.

In my heart of heart of hearts I believe that the devices for speed adjustment, etc., probably only cost about half-a-dollar each to make and thus I can't see why you don't see more of the like included on more vacuums.

Then again that's how business works. I once knew an elderly lady who'd had a restaurant and had specialized in selling barbeque and other things. One of her big sellers was Polish sausage. She informed me that she never sold portions of sausage cut straight across. She cut portions on the diagonal to make it appear to the buyer he or she was getting more than they actually were.

It's sometimes the same with the makers of goods of all sorts -- they seldom set out to give more they just have to.

Venson

Your mention of the automatic setting reducing the suction, rings a bell.

I think Hoover UK a few years ago, had an automatic setting on their top-flight cylinder bagged model (was it the 'Sensory' series?). As far as I know, there will probably be an air-pressure sensor that detects 'loss of airflow', thus causing the motor speed to be reduced.

I've an odd feeling that there was a Hoover before the 'Sensory' range, that did the same thing (was it one of the later 'Sensotronics' or the succeeding 'Alpinas'?)

Trilobite wrote:

I mentioned that I have a $50 sourced HOOVER straight suction compact cann.  It has a rheostat suction regulator.  Works great for reducing suction to customize cleaning to my household needs. 

Carmine D.

Trilobite wrote:
If memory serves me correctly, we had a spin-off of the automatic European Hoover canister that have arrived around the very late 70s/early 80s. It was brown in color. Hoover later followed up with the Dimension canister series in the 1980s the top of the line model upped motor speed when suction was challenged. Naturally I bought one of those too. What I liked was that you could let it run at whatever the middle speed was and the machine would up speed as the bag filled.

Venson

Venson wrote:

I love it!  The Polish sausage and the lady's method to cut. 

BTW, reminds me of Will Roger's quip that the American people are best served if they never see how sausage is made and Congress passes a law!

Carmine D.