Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Excuse me DIB and Venson for chiming in here, but this last statement/observation begs the question that inquiring vacuum minds want to know:  Is it "science' and/or "mechanics"  and/or both that allow a thimble sized cann vacuum to out manuever a larger, heavier, bulkier full-sized upright vacuum?  I can attest to the fact.  I have a $50 HOOVER [made in China] cann that is pint sized and it goes everywhere and anywhere that my full sized uprights can't.  And the small bag holds alot of dirt before the bag indicator goes on.  Amazing!

Carmine D. 

Venson

I disgree.  I have had a Dyson DC03 which has a small bin and a DC05 which I no longer use.  Both these machines were small,  the DC03 being extreamly slim, it could lay flat to the floor and vacuum under tables (unlike Dyson uprights today) the DC05 is wonderfully light and easy to move around furniture and up the stairs and is very capable cleaner for the european home.  I did not find myself having to keep emptying the machine as the dust level is kept at a reasonable level in my house (my Dyson DC04 needs emptying every 3 months or so), 

I hope Dyson keeps on developing small machines and I think it is a real shame that Dyson does not sell the Dyson DC26 in the UK!  I think it will do very well in some of the small flats in London (a DC26 would be perfect for my frieds very small North London flat)

The only thing I don't agree on is that Dyson have these other seemingly normal sized Dyson the DC14 and DC25 for example have a chasis that is similar in size to my DC04 and these machines have such a small bin capacity, when I look at the bin it seems like most of the space is kept for the shroud where the space could be used a bit more for more dirt to collect.  I looked at the DC22 - why is there such a small space for the dirt, the shroud is so big!  My Dyson DC05 is very small but there is quite a bit of space for the dirt to collect.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

A:  Neither.  It’s just smarter than some of the clumsy bloated nozzles that are on the market.  I only through in some benefits of the small sized DC22 - on the “Beat on Dyson DDM DC22 day”.  I hope it was okay to contribute?


Q:  The $50 cheapie you mention...  is it not true it filters [mechanically] exactly like every sacked clogNchoke vacuum on the planet, including the euro so-called exotic’s?

DIB

bucks03 wrote:

Again, chiming in here, pardon me.  If dyson goes the 'petite' vacuum route, and it may carve this vacuum market as a niche, the question becomes the best marketing venue and countries for sales.  I don't see the USA big box retailers having a huge consumer demand for these vacuums at $700, $800, and $900 a pop.  Nor do I see independent vacuum store owners/operators, who typically sell the main stream full sized vacuums save the smaller mid-class RICCAR/Simplicity line of canns.  Clearly  'specialty' cleaners like the DDM DC22 at high prices are not the main stream retailer products for stores and dealers.

Strange as it sounds, the DDM DC22 would be a perfect partner with a lightweight upright in a 'power team' duo.  But and its a big one, the marketing venue.  ORECK has the lock on this sales combo and HOOVER is in it now too.  Is there time and place for a dyson duo?   

Carmine D.

Hi Bucks03,

This particular cleaner's diminutive size may well be of great use to people dwelling in one or two room apartments and I have already said that. However, on our respective sides of the sea, spending as much as the suggested price will not prove an enticement or much of a choice for many people who simply can't afford it. Studio and one bedroom apartments are abundant but costly AND nothing -- at least most of the time in New York -- is included so gas and electricity plus all the other usual expenses don't leave much room for dropping $800 on a vacuum. It being we literally have people crawling over each other to land a job these days this vacuum due to price and size is going to be a slow mover.

Also in regard to size, cleaning habits are not the same individual to individual. If you want to hedge your bets as a manufacturer its better to put a mid-sized vacuum. Not too large, not too small and subsequently the better deal for the person living in a studio or the person living la vida delicioso with three or four bedrooms, etc.

Many busy people can get well beyond a week before they get to thinking about serious vacuuming -- especially if it's a chore they don't have much of a liking for. A machine with capacity that alleviates the bother of frequent emptying is not a bad thing. I have duly noted your mention that you empty your Dyson less frequently but that practice is not recommended by the cleaner's maker and thus may be grounds for a warranty void. For my purposes this machine would not be a boon. If it is for you, I think that's great.

DIB,

We started out with small PNs when the trend began. Matter of fact, I think the largest was the el-shaped model that Kenmore included with a deluxe canister it made in the very late 1950s. Other vacuum brands like Whirlpool, later Compact, and Filter Queens very first PNs were barely more than 10 inches across. The idea of wider cleaning swaths that brought PNs to 14-, sometimes 15-inches, was done to speed up clean by allowing a wider cleaning path.

Sorry, I was taught to clean not to play. There's far more to do in one's cleaning day than just vacuum. Vacuums that are too big, too small or too complicated are all hindrances.

Venson

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Firstly, expressing a contrary opinion to yours is not "beat on dyson day."  It's call exchange of diverse vacuum opinions.

Second, I have owned and used my pint sized HOOVER since August 2007.  I use genuine HOOVER filter bags at about $2 a pop.  No upgrades.  Since it has a 'full-bag indicator" I use the feature to tell me when to replace the bag.  I've used this mighty pint sized vacuum to clean up an assorted plethora of household and garage clean up jobs.  It fits perfectly on the paint can platform of my Werner ladder and consequently gets alot of horrendous jobs in side and out.  Love the cord-winder on it too.  No cord to hassle with in transport.  The two filters, pre and post, both washable and reusable, are still in pristine condition.  Unbelievable.  Even the bag compartment is remarkably clean during bag changes.  $50  Made in China.  Wonderful!

BTW, I gifted one to a petite user several months ago for cleaning, of all things, her fireplace ashes.  SHE LOVES IT!!!

Carmine D. 

PS: On the HOOVER cann:  My dear Wife recently purchased a HOOVER Turbo Tool for $3.95, a discount of 90 percent from retail $39.95.  I use this HOOVER turbo tool on the HOOVER cann for the pet's bed and bed coverings where she sleeps when we are out of the house [sneaky little devil].  Works great for snagging up all the lab hair quickly and easily.  No hair gets on the filters or in the bag compartment.  Remarkable.

Carmine D.

&lt;BR&gt;<BR> bucks03 wrote: &lt;BR&gt;

I strongly agree about the debris capacity of the newer uprights, specifically the DC24, DC25, and DC27. Those are full sized machines with mid-sized containers. I'm assuming they reduced the size of the bins for the purpose of weight reduction, but from this, they aren't slashing that much weight off the machine. I think bigger bins are the way to go.

On the left is the DC25 as it is today. To the right of it is my version that I feel would further benefit pet owners, as well as those who don't vacuum too often.

Good digital job.  It looks perfect.

The taller larger (DC14 vice DC21) bin should make for a better filtering vacuum, but with the smaller diameter lightweight bin’s, it may not make that much difference.  Cost and weight are factors for sure, but caring the vacuums without them “feeling” heavy is a huge issue.  The DC18 probably “feels” heavier than the DC25, even though it weighs less.  Additionally carrying the vacuums up stairs without the vac hitting the stair treads or risers is a goal too.  Dyson has got to have a vac that can be carried up stairs as easily/nearly as easy as the Oreck.  Hoover believes in it and included an Oreck-like mid-handle on their Oreck-knock off.  I must believe this is a big selling feature and request.

DIB

CarmineD wrote:

Mea culpa.  The bags, 5 to a pcakage, plus a primary and secondary filter, retail for $5.99.  I am currently using the 3 rd bag that came with the new vacuum.  One inside the vacuum, when bought new, and 2 spares.  I've used the vacuum since August 2007, or almost a year and one half and just put new bag 3 in [full indicator was not engaged].  By year 3, at the current usage rate, I'll be ready for bag 5 and the 2 filter replacements, which are recommended for replacement with each 5th bag change.  Another feature I like about this 'cheapo' is the suction reduction.  A 'rheostat' suction control that increases and decreases suction. 

Hope that helps.

BTW, wonderful graphics on the dysons.  Nice work! 

Carmine D.